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post #46 of 68
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Sorry about the long original post.

 

This is getting OT, but I do wonder how much you could really tell the difference if a $20, $50, $100, $200 and $400 shirt, all fitted properly, was on you...guess I am getting at is some of this being a brand whore, and this is by no means a term I am using pejoratively.  Or a $200, $500, $1000, $2,500 suit.  Although I dont want to admit to it, I turn my nose at a third-party camera lens which does 90% of what a Nikon lens does at 30-50% of the cost.

 

 

I don't know suits all that well, but I am pretty sure I can tell the difference between a 500 and a 1000 dollar suit. I'd probably have a harder time between the 1000 and the 2500 dollar suit.

If a shirt is properly fitted, just by appearance I think most would struggle to tell the difference between a 50 dollar and a 100 dollar shirt. But the difference becomes a lot clearer if you are touching it (especially so if you are wearing it).

post #47 of 68
I stay around for the drama when I'm at the office, and to find out just how much one can spend on a pair of shoes.
Edited by MikeDT - 10/11/12 at 3:44am
post #48 of 68
OP, I have to say this is starting to sound more than a little like trolling... I think it should be pretty obvious that the vast majority of posters don't spend $2,500 on suits or $300 on shirts. Those that do usually know exactly why they are paying for premium product, and therefore CAN tell the difference, just like (say) a wildlife photographer can see the benefit of spending thousands to get an extra bit of focal length, even if the rest of us can't. But nonetheless the majority of people on photo fora will be in a lower spending bucket, even as the fora "cater" to both groups.

Got it?
post #49 of 68
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No actually, not meant to be a troll post at all.  I am too busy to do that stuff.  I can't tell the difference with say a $100 and a $30 bottle of wine. Not sure if its me and my bad tastes or if there really is only a marginal difference between those two which only someone who really knows what they are doing  knows the difference.  I honestly don't know how much of a difference there is with a $300 and $3000 suit since I never tried on a $3,000 suit.

post #50 of 68
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No actually, not meant to be a troll post at all.  I am too busy to do that stuff.  I can't tell the difference with say a $100 and a $30 bottle of wine. Not sure if its me and my bad tastes or if there really is only a marginal difference between those two which only someone who really knows what they are doing  knows the difference.  I honestly don't know how much of a difference there is with a $300 and $3000 suit since I never tried on a $3,000 suit.

One of the biggest differences between a low-end suit and a much more expensive suit is (or could be) fit. A more expensive suit, like the $3000 example, is going to be either custom-made for you, or at least MTM (sort-of custom made for you). It will fit a lot better than an off-the-rack suit for $300. This is true of cheap and expensive shirts as well. The more expensive ones will be tailored to your body. Of course, there are exceptions, such as extremely expensive RTW shirts and suits, which may not fit any better than the cheap versions.

post #51 of 68
One fascinating aspect of iGent culture is that people often join in for external reasons (to dress better at the workplace, to impress gals, etc.) but stay for internal reasons (because they fall in love with beautiful cloths, beautiful cuts, beautiful craftsmanship, etc.).
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

 

I don't know suits all that well, but I am pretty sure I can tell the difference between a 500 and a 1000 dollar suit. I'd probably have a harder time between the 1000 and the 2500 dollar suit.

If a shirt is properly fitted, just by appearance I think most would struggle to tell the difference between a 50 dollar and a 100 dollar shirt. But the difference becomes a lot clearer if you are touching it (especially so if you are wearing it).

 

But isn't this one of the major points - more expensive shirts (esp MTM and full bespoke) generally deliver much better fit than OTR. For some body types, the difference may be marginal, but for others huge. Seems to me that superior fit (and the additional labor required to deliver it) is at least 50% of what you're paying for with more expensive shirts and suits. 

 

 


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Originally Posted by samnc View Post

No actually, not meant to be a troll post at all.  I am too busy to do that stuff.  I can't tell the difference with say a $100 and a $30 bottle of wine. Not sure if its me and my bad tastes or if there really is only a marginal difference between those two which only someone who really knows what they are doing  knows the difference.  I honestly don't know how much of a difference there is with a $300 and $3000 suit since I never tried on a $3,000 suit.

 

Not to get off topic, but while there is often (although not always) a big difference between a $30/bottle wine and a $100/bottle wine, detecting it relies on the senses of smell and taste, which are comparatively underdeveloped in most people vs sight. You may have a very sensitive nose/palate but simply not have focused your attention on them enough to develop their acuity. It takes both the sensory organ and the brain to process the experience.

 

Now back to suits, shirts, etc. - given that most people are more acutely tuned to visual stimuli, I actually think it's much easier to pick out the difference between a less vs more expensive suit based on fit and materials. However, that may vary across different styles of suits - more relaxed cuts may not leave the impression of a good fit on the casual observer as a suit that is cut slimmer and/or with more structure. OTOH, the cues a casual observer may be sensitive to might also vary from place to place, generating the different regional styles that get discussed here at such length.

post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by samnc View Post

No actually, not meant to be a troll post at all.  I am too busy to do that stuff.  I can't tell the difference with say a $100 and a $30 bottle of wine. Not sure if its me and my bad tastes or if there really is only a marginal difference between those two which only someone who really knows what they are doing  knows the difference.  I honestly don't know how much of a difference there is with a $300 and $3000 suit since I never tried on a $3,000 suit.

So what are you asking?

Are you asking if there is a difference in quality? It depends - some $3,000 suits are overpriced brand-whore crap, and some are as fine a garment as you're likely to find in this world.

Are you asking if some people can tell the difference? Yes, some people can tell the difference.

Are you asking if everyone here can tell the difference? No, not everyone here can tell the difference.

Are you asserting that because you can't tell the difference that an expensive suit must not be "worth the money"? That is subjective. My wife takes better pictures with an iPhone than I do with my Canon 5D and L-series lenses (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) but that doesn't mean a Canon 5D is inherently "not worth the money".

Hang around, lurk, pay special attention to the WAYWN threads, look at the pre-2010 memorialized WAYWN highlights, look at pictures of posted by noobs of their first internet MTM suits, look at WAYWN again, look back to the highlights, back to "first internet MTM" posts, repeat, repeat, repeat. Eventually you will notice something different between various pieces of clothing. Maybe not everything different, but something.

Clothing is just like any other subject - when you are just getting started, the more you learn the less you know.
post #54 of 68

My honest and recent answer...

 

I'm here because one day I replaced my $8 sunglasses in my car with some old fashioned Ray-Bans. I noticed it made me feel good to wear the sunglasses. Then I bought a nice pair of shoes, and I wore those proudly. Slowly, I started learning a little bit about how to dress and I think I've finally found what I feel home in. I've given up on Fashion as I feel I'm too old for it. So now I'm very much enjoying and feeling confident while learning to dress nicely as a man nearing his middle ages.

 

These forums provide me with insight into the various products, terms, and techniques that my parents or other relationships never taught me.

post #55 of 68
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post

My wife takes better pictures with an iPhone than I do with my Canon 5D and L-series lenses (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) but that doesn't mean a Canon 5D is inherently "not worth the money".

 

O/T but...Even after you've done post-processing in Lightroom or similar?

post #56 of 68
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Originally Posted by Longmorn View Post

O/T but...Even after you've done post-processing in Lightroom or similar?

I mean "better" in terms of composition, "capturing the moment", etc.; not exposure, dynamic range and the like. She doesn't know an f-stop from a rest stop, but she clearly has a better and more creative eye than I do. No amount of post-processing can compensate for that.
post #57 of 68

The forum caters for everyone - We all have different preferences and opinions.

post #58 of 68
Very few people, if anyone, even experts, can consistently tell the difference between a $30 bottle and a $100 bottle of wine. There's plenty of research on this.

I don't know of any research, but I'd guess that a lot of people can tell the difference between a very good $500 suit, say, a SuitSupply suit, and a very good $3k suit, say, something bespoke from NsM or Steed, or RTW, something like mainline Zegna or Canali. I'm not talking about from one random still photo, but from wearing the suit or at least seeing someone else wear it in person.
post #59 of 68
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post

I mean "better" in terms of composition, "capturing the moment", etc.; not exposure, dynamic range and the like. She doesn't know an f-stop from a rest stop, but she clearly has a better and more creative eye than I do. No amount of post-processing can compensate for that.

Word.
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Very few people, if anyone, even experts, can consistently tell the difference between a $30 bottle and a $100 bottle of wine. There's plenty of research on this.
I don't know of any research, but I'd guess that a lot of people can tell the difference between a very good $500 suit, say, a SuitSupply suit, and a very good $3k suit, say, something bespoke from NsM or Steed, or RTW, something like mainline Zegna or Canali. I'm not talking about from one random still photo, but from wearing the suit or at least seeing someone else wear it in person.

Yep, the wine analogy is off. Also, what is often forgotten on here is how much more apparent the difference between differently tiered suit is when you see them moving and breathing IRL. Cheap suits often look perfectly fine in photos, but when you try them on, they feel and look dull and lifeless.
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