That's a very good point Rattler- I think a lot of what stems from what people tend to like and dislike about the SLP outfit is the intention behind it. It seems kinda corny to me if one dresses a certain way just because their favorite celebrity dresses like that and they don't understand anything behind the culture. Maybe it's just my arrogant (there's a word for this, not coming to my brain atm) side, but I enjoy the things I enjoy because I identify with certain parts of the culture and I desire to express myself in similar ways.
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Saint Laurent Paris - Official Thread. - Page 897post #13442 of 145088/19/16 at 8:37ampost #13443 of 145088/19/16 at 8:40amInteresting thoughts @therattler
The one flaw in praising those who put a lot of work into their outfits is that this goes against the ethos of the brand, certainly under Hedi. No outfit should really appear too labored. Now, that isn't to suggest that a more novel outfit should receive undue scorn. The selection of pieces is of equal importance with the attitude with which you wear them. This, for me, is what seperates those who wear the brand well, and those who seem to only have an interest in the hype surrounding the label. It's difficult to define, but I'd say—like the old adage about obscenity—I know it when I see it. And, more recurrently, I certainly know when it's missing.
It's actually quite refreshing to have discussions like this about the brand. Without being read as too pretentious, I think it really taps into the intellectual intentions behind Hedi's work.
@OakGhost Goddamn, those look awesome! Congrats! I was holding out for a reissue of the calf version, but I might end up grabbing the suede.post #13444 of 145088/19/16 at 8:46ampost #13445 of 145088/19/16 at 8:48am
The thing about asking how you come to know what you like, is that you can never really know. You just do. But the point is that it's therefore not strictly an individual thing at all, rather its a complex result of responses to others, images, subcultures, status ... all of it. You cannot disavow the influence the things you say that you don't take into consideration.
You're on to something @Isolar. In order to be perceived as having great style it's always said that one has to look effortless (another contradiction). SLP often allows you to do this with most of the standard stuff, and then you can throw in a seasonal piece as well. Which again is why the bikers, jeans and plain blazers are generally the most interesting items. Let the crazy stuff sit in the outlets alone and forgotten, as closets of Gucci will soon do too. Says the dude who will definitely buy the musical note jacket and never wear it haha.post #13446 of 145088/19/16 at 9:00ampost #13447 of 145088/19/16 at 9:01amA lot of this reminds me of that song, "Losing My Edge" by LCD Soundsystem. How our influnces come to shape who we are, and the absurdity of laying claim to these influences and deeming who can and cannot share in these works, to which you have made no real contribution. I think this attitude is especially prevalent when the work is perceived as somewhat outside the mainstream, and therefore more niche and thereby cherished. I know I'm certainly not immune to this way of thinking, whether in fashion or otherwise. It's a form of curation that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just worth viewing in proper perspective.post #13448 of 145088/19/16 at 6:56pm
Does anyone know if these are 15cm or 16cm? I contacted customer care but they were useless.post #13449 of 145088/19/16 at 6:57pmpost #13450 of 145088/19/16 at 7:19pmpost #13451 of 145088/20/16 at 1:12am
I tend to agree @therattler, some of the best SL pieces are the everyday ones. The leather jackets, the jeans, the blazers as they are so wearable. Looking at some of the Gucci RTW stuff, i love the look of it such as the bow shirts. But i couldn't throw that on with anything and make it work.
I found a lot of Hedi's work at Saint Laurent accessible and able to work with a variety of different people/subcultures. Maybe this contributed to the typical 'uniform' that has appeared. Compare the L01 to say the Dior Napoleon jacket or a Balmain Military jacket (all of which i like) and I'm guessing most people would pick the L01 as it finds a balance between luxury/fashion/versatility.
The influences and the way people wear saint laurent is a hard one to try and pin point down. As has been mentioned on here discussing whether a belt clashes with a pair of shoes is probably the antitheses of the way that clothes and brand have been portrayed. On the other hand i feel like the clothes have been meticulously designed and cut. e.g the hem to thigh ratio on the jeans, the tailoring of the blazers, even the distressing on shirts and jeans along with the materials used. So to spend time thinking about the details is fine.
I think due to the media/celebrities and probably peoples misconceptions people have pigeonholed Saint Laurent into one look/season. They see the brand and think boots, ripped jeans, leather jackets, and miss out on all of the other cultures/looks/backgrounds that have been references across the collections.post #13452 of 145088/20/16 at 2:11ampost #13453 of 145088/20/16 at 3:04am
Can't believe my belt question brought up this whole talk
But to be honest, everyone is wearing SLP for different reasons. Because it's popular, because celebrities wear SLP pieces, because they want to fit into the template, because they want to look like what seems to be cool at the moment. For whatever reason, you'll be the only one that knows the truth. Nothing wrong with whatever reasons you are buying and wearing SLP pieces.
@neonrider did brought up a point that I never really thought about. There is no formula or recipe as to how one should be wearing SLP. The importance of "style" is what you want to wear hence how you want to present yourself to the world with your outfit. A personal style aka how you and i dress should be something very personal and intimate. This is not including if yourself or other people think if you have a "great style". I believe the most important thing when one decides to buy pieces from any brand should be is it something that you can cooperate into your style to aid how you want to present yourself with your outfit.
And when it comes to great style, you guys mentioned that Hedi thinks it is when someone looks good in their outfit that looks effortless. But a great style to me does not necessarily mean that one has to look good in it. The point of looking good is when a style that you find fits your personality and your appearance. And that's when you realize 1. what looks good with your appearances and features 2. your personality which reflects how you want to be perceived by people.
Some people might think what I just said is really superficial. Hell I myself might not even be a good candidate to be wearing SLP. But that doesn't matter, I'm not trying to convince that I look good and I have great style. On KTT, most people had been arguing about how one has to be skinny and tall to pull off the look. But that's because they're missing the fact that you don't wearing SLP to pull it off, you wear it to compliment your body proportions. If you are tall and slim, congrats now you look taller and slimmer. If you're on the shorter and bigger side, that is when you have to find the right pieces (which saint laurent offers a lot of different fits e.x. skinny - slim - regular fit) to manipulate the visual of your proportion to look good. And if your outfit compliments proportion, then I believe you have a great style.
One last thing though, I am a hair stylist who works at a salon and I see most people try to get hairstyles to fit their outfits/style. But that is wrong, you should be getting outfits that fit your hairstyle because a perfect hairstyle is way harder to find than a perfect outfit
Don't get me wrong, do what makes you happy and these are just my opinionspost #13454 of 145088/20/16 at 3:14amI actually find it interesting and somewhat amusing that the leather jacket-and-jeans look is so strongly associated with the brand, when I consider the tailoring to be an equally—perhaps, more—distinctive element of the label's DNA. Perhaps it's down to the fact that people dress more casually than they once did, but I still consider the skinny black suit to be Hedi's premier achievement, just as it was at Dior, and one of his more singular looks.post #13455 of 145088/20/16 at 4:15amQuote:Originally Posted by onlyslp
most people had been arguing about how one has to be skinny and tall to pull off the look. But that's because they're missing the fact that you don't wearing SLP to pull it off, you wear it to compliment your body proportions. If you are tall and slim, congrats now you look taller and slimmer. If you're on the shorter and bigger side, that is when you have to find the right pieces (which saint laurent offers a lot of different fits e.x. skinny - slim - regular fit) to manipulate the visual of your proportion to look good. And if your outfit compliments proportion, then I believe you have a great style.
This i agree with and think it is stupid.
Yes you have to be tall and slim if you want to copy the runway looks and look exactly the same as them. People are limiting the brand to only being able to wear the runway outfits and variants of them.
Lenny Kravitz is a great example though of the non typical body shape yet still rocks it well.
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