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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

3 options:

1. If you're not comfortable gifting, tell him you'll pay an extra 4% and assume any customs fees incurred.
2. Save more and pay retail to avoid dealing secondary market issues.
3. Keep waiting for a pair that fits your criteria to turn up. Try again.

 

He started to act like a dickhead after I told him I'd rather do an invoice. I even offered to pay fees, but now i think I'm good lol.

 

I just have to keep waiting :(

 

 

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http://www.mientus.com/de/saint-laurent-boots-wayatt-40-harness-1.html

Get them from there maybe. After conversion cheaper than USA retail and they are new

 

 

I actually might buy from here. The VAT is included, right? Thank you!

 

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you could proxy from someone in the eu?

 

If only I could find someone.

post #10772 of 15045
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Originally Posted by Symphony View Post

He started to act like a dickhead after I told him I'd rather do an invoice. I even offered to pay fees, but now i think I'm good lol.

I just have to keep waiting frown.gif




I actually might buy from here. The VAT is included, right? Thank you!


If only I could find someone.

The vat gets subtracted. They are also the new slimmer shaft.
post #10773 of 15045
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The menswear market is growing at a slighter greater percentage clip than women's, but the women's luxury sector far exceeds men's in terms of size. i.e. you can still make more money selling to women (in general) because there are more women shopping and buying more frequently.

 

The frustrations of the guard at YSL are palpable with Slimane. Let's face it - it is a French house. It cannot be fully realized from LA, which is thousands of miles away from the ateliers and factories. It's fine if Slimane wanted to split his time there, but to try to permanently move the shows and studios there would not be the best decision.

 

I am not certain how much couture clients were complaining because YSL stopped real courture quite some time ago. Yes, the house was doing some one-offs with Slimane, but they have not really fully re-entered. I can see them complaining if they wanted to purchase and Slimane declined them or there was nothing they coveted for sale as Slimane's designs do not translate well to couture. He is not a couturier - he lacks the skill, sense for color, and imagination. It is surprising that upper management would even care about these complaints considering the incredible growth rate. What they would care about is the missed opportunities in women's rtw, which was very limited under Slimane. I would also venture to guess that some buyer's remorse could accompany buyers of his women's rtw  (excluding the smoking jackets) - "I could have got this at Topshop... I am over this aesthetic already... This is something that I really don't find myself wearing often..." 

 

Where Slimane excels is at is menswear and updating women's bags and shoes - that's what he should have been responsible for. Couture and perhaps women's rtw should be directed by someone else. However, that would have been an arrangement that he would not have agreed to.  

 

Slimane did some great things: permanent collection, men's boots, sneakers, women's bags, fun rtw, but there is also much room to grow. As YSL is not a private company, they probably could only tolerate only so much insubordination and demands. It becomes difficult to fully comprehend the limitations that exist for a publicly traded company that happens to have many familial shareholders.

 

Not to be overly argumentative, but the idea that a customer can't tell the difference between an article of clothing produced by SLP and Topshop is ridiculous and the other things you listed are perfectly common complaints about rtw for any brand, considering the price point.

 

In terms of couture, I don't really buy the idea that Hedi is inherently unable to produce it.  I do agree that his designs don't lend well to couture as it is currently consumed and this is one of the main reasons he's such an important figure in fashion.  His recent couture collection was the most interesting thing to happen in fashion in some time IMO.

 

I'd like to think they could have found a way as a company to let Hedi pursue his red ballons and found ways to make it work and make it actually interesting for people. Rich people with no taste will always demand 'relevant' but bland, expensive things.  It's a lack of vision at the corporate level that has killed and will continue to kill good ideas and design in fashion.  The world doesn't need more couture the way it's being produced.


Edited by Prudy - 4/7/16 at 4:12pm
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The vat gets subtracted. They are also the new slimmer shaft.

 

Ohhhh. The shipping is 100 euros though. I wish they had cheaper shipping options :/

 

Thanks a lot though. I'll think about it.

post #10775 of 15045
5 sellers who are trying to get rid of something all in wrong Vs 1 buyer who doesnt want to pay the going rate (retail) for something

hmmm
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5 sellers who are trying to get rid of something all in wrong Vs 1 buyer who doesnt want to pay the going rate (retail) for something

hmmm

 

All but 2 of them were selling used, so?

 

I didn't even know that the last 2 guys were selling new until they pointed it out. And even then I'm still not comfortable gifting anyone I don't know.

post #10777 of 15045
Would any bay area Style farmers be interested in a private event with a bunch of men's RTW that isn't usually kept in stock onsite? PM me. This will NOT be a sample sale. Would require RSVP.
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To the other user mentioning about Top Shop, that is just ridiculous lol

 

We all talked about this before, the lack of 'creative freedom' given to Hedi, Hedi is first and foremost a photographer, SLP is like a project that serves for his photography when you start telling him you can't do this and you can't do that obviously he is going to be pissed. That and corporate fucking up all the cuts and taking shortcuts with quality. Hopefully he will be more happy at Chanel. 

 

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True, and I always found it weird that the prices were sometimes up to twice as much as the Mens. 

Lol womenswear is ALWAYS way more expensive than menswear, not only for SLP.

 

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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

The women's stuff he put out was not very accessible or forgiving. It was also a pretty dramatic departure from what longstanding YSL women customers expect

His womenswear was way better than menswear consistently every season imo, the whole heroin chic image was awesome. You are right though in that it is not very forgiving because the people that can pull it off are usually the tall lanky european women, the same could be said for menswear then, no?

 

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 aren't men buying more than women generally these days? .

Course not.

post #10779 of 15045
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Originally Posted by Prudy View Post

Not to be overly argumentative, but the idea that a customer can't tell the difference between an article of clothing produced by SLP and Topshop is ridiculous and the other things you listed are perfectly common complaints about rtw for any brand, considering the price point.

In terms of couture, I don't really buy the idea that Hedi is inherently unable to produce it.  I do agree that his designs don't lend well to couture as it currently exists and this is one of the main reasons he's such an important figure in fashion.  His recent couture collection was the most interesting thing to happen in fashion in some time IMO.

I'd like to think they could have found a way as a company to let Hedi pursue his red ballons and found ways to make it work and make it actually interesting for people. Rich people with no taste will always demand 'relevant' but bland, expensive things.  It's a lack of vision at the corporate level that has killed and will continue to kill good ideas and design in fashion.  The world doesn't need more couture the way it's being produced.

I regret the difficulty that my lack of specificity caused. Obviously, the consumer can see and feel the differences in quality. I was not referring to quality. Although, I did have issues with some SLP pieces in the regard.

I am more so referring to the psyche of a consumer who is inundated with quick sameness that leads her to boredom. In that sense, she could have gotten the aesthetic from The Kooples or Topshop and, in lieu, splurged on some timeless statement investment piece or experience. (Again I know permanent is designed to be relevant for years but there is a good bit of the rtw that is of a decided moment) Because we have grown to think of fashion as so disposable it has become easier to justify trendier, temporary two-wear pieces that have an investment level price tag. This in turn can lead to remorse. Absolutely, this is not a phenomenon limited to SLP, but because his designs were so wearable and omnipresent, the brand is particularly susceptible to such fleeting infatuation.

As for quality of SLP, I was often left wanting. From leathers that split on me to denim of rough hand to outerwear that just didn't stack up against other high end labels, I was often disappointed with the execution. That feeling was magnified by the fact that I shopped SLP in department stores (not the stand alone boutiques) where quick comparisons were easy: Fendi's mink collar top coat feels more luxurious and is actually slightly cheaper, Prorsum's leather commands more applause etc.

I like Slimane, I really do. The answer is probably for him to start his own label. He can be truest to his own self that way. I somehow doubt the Wertheimer's will grant the free reign that is so crucial to Slimane's magic.
post #10780 of 15045
"prorsum's leather commands more applause" lol. from who? bryanboy?

"fendi's mink collar top coat feels more luxurious" lol are they sourcing magic minks from deepest siberia?

who are you kidding dude?

how's burberry doing as an actual, company, champ? not too well, right? how's fend doing with it's rtw forays? not too well, right? your entire stream of comments is utterly divorced from reality. the fact is that fashion is stagnant precisely because of what you describe. ysl, on the other hand grew dramatically under hedi.

now you can TRY to pretend that this isn't reality, and that what you describe is a reason for ysl's "decline". but the simple fact is that there is no decline, just spectacular growth and sales. people love what hedi makes. especially women. again, you can PRETEND that's not a reality, but the facts suggest that you're a little delusional.

"hedi's vision doesn't translate into couture". really? who else sells out 5k bomber jackets...in a single day...that everyone else copies desperately? how do we know how (actual) couture's done? the collection just came out, right? what you're describing isn't reality--neither commercial nor social nor cultural. it's just the usual insider critical response to hedi. but those critics have been precisely WRONG for the last four years, right? so why should anyone give a fuck what they have to say NOW?

you're putting forth exactly the erroneous wish-fulfilment that the fashion industry survives on. that everyone wants to look like bryanboy, basically. the key word is "survives", because mostly, that's all its doing. eking out a survival that only a dwindling number of fashion victims really care about.

in fact the only interesting thing about your set of comments is the fatuous premise they reveal. that fashion is a game of approval from the right people. "applause", etc. but part of the reason most of us here appreciate heid's work is that it's really not about that juvenile game of approval-seeking. it's a return to the idea of style as self-expression against the fashion industry's constant demands for approval-seeking.
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IMO Fendi's work with furs is pretty tough to beat.
post #10782 of 15045
maybe, maybe not. as one of the few forum members here apart from prudy who actually has sl furs i think the quality's just fine.

but that's not the point.

the point is that fashion types constantly use a variety of tiresome tactics to essentially snob factor hedi and the various movements he builds. the quality's low! he makes clothes people not just hairdressers actually want to wear! zara rips it off!! and so on. all these are basically ways to avoid the fact, tho, that he's easily the most successful and influential designer of the last decade or two. if we're going to discuss this stuff seriously, instead of delusionally, we probably have to start there.

because it lets us understand that none of the above--quality divorced from actual style, fashion victim slash blogger approval, making gigantic sacks disguised as clothing so ugly even the fast fashioneers don't rip you off--are ways to be successful anymore in this industry. they're just ways to consign yourself to irrelevance. as a simple example, do we really think that valentino (etc) would be making $5k embroidered silk bomber jackets oh so suddenly if hedi hadn't done it first? come on. this industry desperately needs a reality check.
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"prorsum's leather commands more applause" lol. from who? bryanboy?

"fendi's mink collar top coat feels more luxurious" lol are they sourcing magic minks from deepest siberia?

who are you kidding dude?

how's burberry doing as an actual, company, champ? not too well, right? how's fend doing with it's rtw forays? not too well, right? your entire stream of comments is utterly divorced from reality. the fact is that fashion is stagnant precisely because of what you describe. ysl, on the other hand grew dramatically under hedi.

now you can TRY to pretend that this isn't reality, and that what you describe is a reason for ysl's "decline". but the simple fact is that there is no decline, just spectacular growth and sales. people love what hedi makes. especially women. again, you can PRETEND that's not a reality, but the facts suggest that you're a little delusional.

"hedi's vision doesn't translate into couture". really? who else sells out 5k bomber jackets...in a single day...that everyone else copies desperately? how do we know how (actual) couture's done? the collection just came out, right? what you're describing isn't reality--neither commercial nor social nor cultural. it's just the usual insider critical response to hedi. but those critics have been precisely WRONG for the last four years, right? so why should anyone give a fuck what they have to say NOW?

you're putting forth exactly the erroneous wish-fulfilment that the fashion industry survives on. that everyone wants to look like bryanboy, basically. the key word is "survives", because mostly, that's all its doing. eking out a survival that only a dwindling number of fashion victims really care about.

in fact the only interesting thing about your set of comments is the fatuous premise they reveal. that fashion is a game of approval from the right people. "applause", etc. but part of the reason most of us here appreciate heid's work is that it's really not about that juvenile game of approval-seeking. it's a return to the idea of style as self-expression against the fashion industry's constant demands for approval-seeking.

I'm so finished with this conversation. I don't have an agenda, but obviously some of you do. You have to ensure you are not muddling and mingling issues because you will confuse yourself.

Yea, Burberry is having a bit of doldrum period as a business overall. But that doesn't change the fact that for me their leather jackets generally worked better and just had much more luxe appeal. Same for Fendi where I would argue that their execution was better. It doesn't matter what Fendi sold versus SLP; the mink collar coat they produced was just a cut above SLP for me and a few other people because the jacket was alsmost sold out in a week. When I tried them both on my PS noted that almost everyone who looked at either coat also looked at the other coat. In this case, more people preferred the Fendi.

I have and love SLP product but I don't buy because of designer name alone. I am label agnostic and buy what I think is the best statement and best quality from all over the world. Therefore, I can be critical and constructive about any brand because I buy a lot of brands and rarely does one brand win across the board all the time.

And none of this changes the fact of how I had SLP products with some quality run issues. All was corrected thankfully but it still happened.

Not hating on SLP people. Relax.
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Originally Posted by neonrider View Post
 do we really think that valentino (etc) would be making $5k embroidered silk bomber jackets oh so suddenly if hedi hadn't done it first? come on. this industry desperately needs a reality check.

That season was all about the bomber though, Gucci came out with bombers during that season as well together with Val and SLP in the one season so...

 

Wow check out Marc Jacobs Instagram that guy wears heaps of the really expensive SLP pieces.


Edited by needhelp123 - 4/7/16 at 7:31pm
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http://www.mientus.com/de/saint-laurent-boots-wayatt-40-harness-1.html

Get them from there maybe. After conversion cheaper than USA retail and they are new

 

Quick question about Mientus. The price comes out as 852.10 Euros, but for some reason the conversion through Paypal wants me to pay $997 instead of $960 or whatever. You know why that is?

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