Originally Posted by Victor Elfo
Honestly, I am not sure if discussing the habits of the medium class (socio-economic wise) is the point of the thread, but it demonstrates the problem with the objective of this thread: a list of bare necessities when there is no standard bare necessities.
We could develop some options within the expected formal range of a medium class citizen. What do you think?
I could, for example, live with this for my bare necessities: navy safari jacket, medium gray trousers, light blue "casual" shirt, navy polo, brown suede loafers. And I would be the dressed up guy.
This isn't bare necessities to clothe yourself in your style though. It's bare necessities to meet every dress code you face (although we're not using dress code in the strict sense all the time). For your concept, see pocketsquareguy's thread on 10 Essentials - that's the concept you're going after.
Originally Posted by dieworkwear
Actually, I would sooner propose a nice pair of khaki chinos before I'd recommend a navy sport coat. Because you can't always wear jeans. There are very few men in America who couldn't be well served by having a go-to pair of nice chinos and some kind of light blue button-up shirt. It's very casual, but also very useful. And importantly: this would be true for men of almost any background.
I've got either dress chinos or mid-grey trousers on the list, so I think this is already covered. The mid-grey trousers will seem a little dressier than the chinos, but if you have them instead of the chinos, then I think you've still got all the same situations covered. And in this case, you can wear your white button-up just as easily as the light blue. I agree the blue is usually better, but a white OCBD isn't out of place there.
Originally Posted by emptym
Yes. I took you to be using "blazer" loosely in the general sense of odd jacket/sport coat.
Metal buttons have a stigma to them now, so many people who would have gotten a blazer w/ metal buttons 10-20 yrs ago opt instead for a horn, bone, plastic, etc. But to distinguish this jacket from a suit coat, they add less formal details, such as rougher fabric or patch pockets. Such details don't make the jacket a blazer, but they do make it more identifiable as an odd jacket/sport coat.
I think the word "blazer" has now morphed into meaning a wider class of jackets. It had a historical meaning that's different, but now few enough people are aware of that definition and it is used to refer to enough other things, that the meaning has changed. Check out what's in Mr Porter's 'blazer' category. Or, for that matter, Huntsman:
Originally Posted by mcbrown
I was making the point to Hendrix that if we want to go down the road of saying "odd jacket not required" then maybe dress socks aren't required either, which seems like a silly result.
I'm totally with you on the navy jacket. I can't believe there has been so much discussion over it.
And by the way, my navy jacket has brass buttons. Suck it, haters.
Ah, gotcha - sorry, was reading too fast and was too drunk last night. I got some brass buttons too (although this is a lot diff from the traditional BB blazer):
I think I may swap out for some MoP next spring/summer
Originally Posted by Claghorn
Isn't that the job of your first mate?