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post #76 of 432
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

holy shit dude, do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT use these as sales photos. That suit fits absolutely horrifically. I know the kid probably measured it, but it looks like he found a suit when he was 12 and squeezed into it.
I can't get over how bad that looks.

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Originally Posted by MZhammer View Post


Michael - It will do no good to argue with people on this site. SF is dedicated (at least the MC side) to a general adherence to long established style rules. Traditional markers of timeless style are what people gravitate towards and the picture you're describing couldn't be much farther from that ideal other than it being called a "suit". The Hollywood cut quite honestly looks like he stole it from his sister's closet. Too tight, too short...

I don't think anyone is saying that the poor fit reflects badly on EliteSuits, they are supposed to make a suit to customer's measurements and they probably did... It's just that the customer doesn't make for an effective endorsement on a conservatively minded site such as this one.

To really get the aesthetic around here look:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/253439/waywrn-hall-of-fame-pre-2010

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post #77 of 432
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Originally Posted by MZhammer View Post


Michael - It will do no good to argue with people on this site.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that the poor fit reflects badly on EliteSuits, they are supposed to make a suit to customer's measurements and they probably did... It's just that the customer doesn't make for an effective endorsement on a conservatively minded site such as this one.

 

To really get the aesthetic around here look:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/253439/waywrn-hall-of-fame-pre-2010

 

MZ, you are right, I did go OTT. Joining SF and picking fights is not a smart move - especially not in a good company's affiliate thread! I think I need to take a step back.

 

Thanks a mill for that link. I see photos all over the internet claiming to be 'classic' or 'modern' fits, but I have never been able to properly judge whether they are. I now know what SF sees as the classic and ideal suiting look.

 

Most importantly, I can look at that thread and look at the photos I have and can now work towards something.

 

Thanks

Michael

post #78 of 432

Had I known that this thread would turn into what it's become I probably would have offered myself to be a guinea pig of sorts seeing that I convinced myself to throw $300 at ModernTailor to see what their cheapest MTM suits are like.

 

I agree that the site needs work and that the best way to show the quality of the work is by sharing photos of finished suits (perhaps with a more conservative, contemporary cut), but I also agree that people are being awfully nitpicky rather than providing constructive criticism.

 

My suggestion: Simon, you've probably ordered suits for yourself and you probably know more about suit measurements than the general customer that walks into your store. Why not offer photos of your own suits for review? 

 

Otherwise, I agree that while it may not be cost effective to yourself as a business, but letting more established StyleForum member(s) personally review a suit may not be a bad idea either.

 

I wish you the best with your business venture!

post #79 of 432
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Originally Posted by CosmeDaniel View Post

I agree that the site needs work and that the best way to show the quality of the work is by sharing photos of finished suits (perhaps with a more conservative, contemporary cut), but I also agree that people are being awfully nitpicky rather than providing constructive criticism.

Most people offered constructive criticism that was promptly scoffed at. Simon has failed to grasp the first two principles of selling 1. Know your target market and 2. Provide the proper experience.

If the website was known to be sub-optimal, wait to launch into a new venture, much less advertise it. The website is the store; would you open a store midway through construction? It should be pristine. Secondly, knowing how to communicate to the target audience is probably the biggest takeaway from marketing. Overselling here, of all places, is the fastest way to be blacklisted. The general population of this site is so esoteric that if push communication is needed, there is a problem. The text walls did not help. Everything that was written could have been parsed into maybe two paragraphs.

Simon. Here is some free advice. It seems like your product is fine, yet the experience and technique is really, really off. Let the product speak for itself, streamline the website design, and really tone down the push approach. You already won the battle...people clicked the site. Now let what you offer do the rest.

Edit - fixed two typos.
Edited by usctrojans31 - 10/8/12 at 10:07pm
post #80 of 432
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Originally Posted by usctrojans31 View Post

Most people offered constructive criticism that was promptly scoffed at. Simon has failed to grasp the first two principles of selling 1. Know your target market and 2. Provide the proper experience.
If the was known to be sub-optimal, wait to launch into a new venture. The website is the store; would you open a store midway through construction? It should be pristine. Secondly, knowing how to communicate to the target audience is probably the biggest takeaway from marketing. Overselling here, of all places, is the fastest way to be blacklisted. The general population of this site is so esoteric that if push communication is needed, there is a problem. The text walls did not help. Everything that was written could have been parsed into maybe two paragraphs.
Simon. Here is some free advice. It seems like your product is fine, yet the experience and technique is really, really off. Let the product speak for itself, streamline the website design, and really tone down the push approach. You already won the battle...people clicked the site. Now let what you offer do the rest.

+1 exactly.
post #81 of 432

I have to agree the website is too wordy if I may say so and quite basic. I saw that a bespoke quality handmade suit " Custom made from top grade Italian superfine wool with free delivery to your home or office" only costs $299.00. I wonder if anyone else bought from them it would be great to share your thoughts on their clothes.

 

post #82 of 432
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

Simon, I am always very interested in getting more for less - who isn't? So I had a look at your website. It's horrible, and I gave up even reading it very quickly. You say you know all the problems already. Well, then why didn't you deal with them before becoming an affiliate vendor and publicizing everything here? I will never get further than the front page of the website because it just gives me a headache, with the read and white on black colour scheme and acres of unecessary text, and hundreds of unexplained hyperlinks. You really need to sort this out and not just give more excuses as to why you haven't (including more paragraphs of text of excuses on the website itself!). It's not about what you say, which is that people expect 'blue suit, $399' and you don't want to do that. It's about clean, functional design which attracts buyers and leads people through the process in a pleasant manner. Just like your pitch here, there aren't even any decent pictures of the suits themselves on the front page, just second-hand car salesman-type hard sell. This isn't something secondary. If you are an Internet-based business, it's the first thing you have to sort out.

Yes.It's a typical Asian overly "busy "website" that turns off Western Buyers.
This is more a cultural commentary than a criticism of Elite. Nevertheless,
if they wish to sell outside of Asia, they should learn the aestheics of their
target market.
post #83 of 432
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

Simon, if you can take the hit, I'd offer a suit to Manton. You get his approval, you get the entire forum's approval.

Disagree. Manton's approval is his approval. Manton is not EliteSuits' target audience. Bad advice. I'm not buying an EliteSuit just because Manton might find it "good value" or whatever it is you think will get the "entire forum's approval."
post #84 of 432
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Originally Posted by teddieriley View Post


Disagree. Manton's approval is his approval. Manton is not EliteSuits' target audience. Bad advice. I'm not buying an EliteSuit just because Manton might find it "good value" or whatever it is you think will get the "entire forum's approval."


I'm not sure sending a sample to an actual tailor for a review is a great idea. If I started a cellphone company, I'm not going to ask Samsung or Apple to review my product; I'd ask a tech magazine. Style Forum doesn't have a magazine, so a respected member who knows suits is the next best thing (one not technically in competition with Simon).

 

Manton seems to be cited as an authority fairly regularly here, so I suggested him. Spoo would be another good choice (perhaps even better as he sells suits). Someone who is respected and who knows suits. I messaged Simon, and he is open to the idea of providing a sample suit to a member for review but is not sure to whom to give it. Who are some other options? Spoo, Manton, NYR were all mentioned earlier in the thread, but I'm sure there are more.

 

And while clearly (or perhaps not clearly?) Manton's stamp of approval would not be enough for the ENTIRE forum, I'll avoid hyperbolizing in the future for your sake. smack.gif

post #85 of 432
^^Why don't you buy a suit and tell us what you think since you're so invested in this thread?
post #86 of 432

I think someone here has to get one, before I'm going to consider buying. There are quite a few silly posts in this thread, where people have put forward really strong views, going far beyond what the issues raised could reasonably support. For me, it is this simple. I don't really trust any vendor's claims about their own products. The review seems almost too good to be true, and I do not know the person who wrote it. The customer pictures are a good gesture, but they do not answer all of the questions, because these customers are not the same discriminating consumer that most of us are.

post #87 of 432
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Originally Posted by teddieriley View Post

^^Why don't you buy a suit and tell us what you think since you're so invested in this thread?


Because I'm quite far from being a respected member of this community, nor do I know suits well enough to provide a thorough review. I doubt my feedback would provide a huge boost the business's credibility. Who would you suggest to provide the best review? (I don't think you were seriously suggesting me)

post #88 of 432
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Originally Posted by jmills View Post

The customer pictures are a good gesture, but they do not answer all of the questions, because these customers are not the same discriminating consumer that most of us are.

 

As demonstrated by this thread :).

post #89 of 432
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Originally Posted by comrade View Post


Yes.It's a typical Asian overly "busy "website" that turns off Western Buyers.
This is more a cultural commentary than a criticism of Elite. Nevertheless,
if they wish to sell outside of Asia, they should learn the aestheics of their
target market.

 

Careful, comrade, I think you're making some questionable assumptions about where Elite is based, who owns it and who its main customers are.

post #90 of 432
manton, spoo, edmoral, NYR, niidog (MIA most of the time, but has been around some), Man of Lint. I'd be scared to give it to foo.gif. Those are the ones that come to mind first who have been around for a wihle and have posted a lot of fits in the past.
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