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post #46 of 436
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Originally Posted by Simon at Elite View Post

Agree completely however it was made to the measurements specified. Surprisingly it was his second suit so he had the opportunity to make these minor tweaks (Actually he increased the sleeve length by 2cm over his first suit). He has told me he's ready to order his third suit. Now I have the pictures I can work with him on the little adjustments needed.

Here's a couple of pictures of our super slim Hollywood Cut. These are becoming more popular every month with the shorter jacket, sleeves and trousers and everything cut very close to the body. This was bought by an 18yo for his year 12 graduation prom. It's his first tailored suit and for a young person I think he's done a fantastic job. So good that he snagged the best dressed award.










I would have liked a photo without his hands in his pockets to see if the rippling on the sleeves is an issue. If he comes back for another suit there are a couple of minor changes I'll suggest but for me it's a very good first effort. The important thing is that he loves it.

holy shit dude, do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT use these as sales photos. That suit fits absolutely horrifically. I know the kid probably measured it, but it looks like he found a suit when he was 12 and squeezed into it.

I can't get over how bad that looks.
post #47 of 436

Man...now I feel invested in this whole thing. I really hope someone who knows what they are doing orders from Simon (who can't be blamed for the tastes or unwillingness to get alterations of his customers).

 

Simon, if you can take the hit, I'd offer a suit to Manton. You get his approval, you get the entire forum's approval.

post #48 of 436
Way to beat a dead horse... Simon admitted to shitty website in the opening post, said he was working on a new one yet everyone kept pointing the obvious in subsequent post. Let's move past that and focus on getting some better examples of the suits. Simon, the pics you showed, with the exception of the first guy, are bad. The high schooler could have gone to H&M to get that suit... The wedding party could have rented theirs... These photos do your brand no good, man. You've been in business for a couple of years,surely you have better samples? confused.gif
post #49 of 436
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

Man...now I feel invested in this whole thing. I really hope someone who knows what they are doing orders from Simon (who can't be blamed for the tastes or unwillingness to get alterations of his customers).

Simon, if you can take the hit, I'd offer a suit to Manton. You get his approval, you get the entire forum's approval.

I agree completely. This would be the best money you could spend right now. Offer a suit to Manton. Or offer one to Edmorel, Spoo, NYR, or some other established member. If they give it their stamp of approval, you will be golden and it will pay for itself many times over.

The ill fitting pictures from random people are not going to cut it. Long, long essays from you about your product are not going to cut it.

Does that make sense?

Your website could be absolute crap, but if you get good review from someone like Manton and get some good pictures up here, it won't matter how crappy your website is.
post #50 of 436
Thread Starter 

I'll try to keep this as brief as possible but it will take a few paragraphs to answer a number of the above comments

 
Fit is a very personal issue. The point isn't have we delivered what you or others think is the perfect fitting suit, it's whether or not we have met each customers individual expectations and the answer in most cases is yes. I get a numbers of emails every week from customers thanking me for their suit and how pleased they are with the fabric and how it's the best fitting suit they have ever owned. Yet if I posted pictures of their suit here they would get exactly the same comments you're giving now. The only way a business like ours succeeds is by getting customers to order again and the only reason Elite Suits is a growing business is due to the high number of repeat orders we receive which brings us back to our ability to meet the customers expectations.
 
We use tailors to make our suits not magicians. Accordingly, they can only make suits to the specifications supplied by the customer. To the best of my knowledge the suits pictured are as delivered and have not been altered and I also believe the customers self measured. I think it's unreasonable to expect ANY MTM company to deliver a perfectly fitting suit based on a single set of measurements.
 
There are many places today offering a "bespoke" suit when in reality they are actually offering their version of MTM. It's done in three steps.
 
1. The customer is measured instore more likely by a salesman than a tailor. We strongly recommend that customers have their original measurements completed by a tailor or at least an alterations outlet.
 
2. They outsource their tailoring overseas just like we do however in many cases they send it to one of the Asian suit factories while we send it to actual tailors.
 
3. When the finished suit arrives they call the customer in for a fitting after which the suit is altered to improve the fit before it's finally delivered to the customer.
 
Online companies don't do step three themselves and if you're going to ignore the very important step 3 then you are going to have some fit issues with your suit. For a start the tailors are generous with allowances for body movement as it's easier and cheaper to have a suit made smaller rather than bigger. Most customers do ignore step 3 because their expectation wasn't for a perfect bespoke style fit rather they expected a better made suit made from good fabric that fits better then what they can buy off the rack and we can meet that expectation.
 
I suggest to every customer that they allow some extra in their suit budget for a post delivery tweak. In most cases it's only between $40-$80 and usually involves simply adjusting the jacket to get that more slimline look and perhaps minor things like sleeve length. If you do this you can have a great fitting fully tailored suit at around half the price you would pay instore including a full canvas suit for less than $500 including the post delivery alteration.
post #51 of 436

Tough crowd.

post #52 of 436
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Originally Posted by StumpjumperE View Post

Tough crowd.

its SF, what do you expect?
post #53 of 436
For anybody who wants to see the photos I promised, the post was recently approved on page 3 of the thread.
Moderator, sorry for trying to post it three time before spotting the notice explaining why it wasn't showing up.
post #54 of 436

All

 

I just had to create an account because I am sitting here shaking my head so much it might fall off.

 

I have been a long term poster on this forum: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1358916 . We are currently discussing Simon's suits in that thread.

 

I have been following this thread since its creation and a few things are now certain to me. I will never come to SF for advice on the fit of a suit. The vitriol splashed across every page of this thread is disgusting. I don't know whether it is the pursuit of the impossible perfection, general disgust at a new online player, brainwashed by GQ or just plain trolling.

 

You users questioned whether Simon paid for that article on page 1 to be written about Elite, I question whether you users are paid to bash brands on the internet for a job.

 

To me, that formal suit the young fellow was wearing looked great. He won best dressed award. I would be very happy with a well fitting suit like that. Instead, all I read is, "that suit is way to small, it looks like it was built for a 12 year old, take it down Simon, it is doing you no good". I have never seen more unconstructive criticism. You couldn't even be bothered specifying where it was small or what improvements could be made. In my opinion it fits great, it really compliments his shape. You can put me down for saying that, you can also put me down for voting Ron Paul.

 

There is a fine line between 'fitting advice' and abusive nitpicking.

 

You try to give the impression that for suits there it is a black and white story. There is only one way to do it, no other ways. Unfortunately, suits are far from being defined as 'right and wrong'. Some poeple like having ultra short trousers where there is a lot of ankle being revealed - GQ at least. I hate that. So what now?

 

I really value SF forum - I almost always use it as my main source of advice when buying anything clothing. The information and advice on: product workmanship, materials, durability, quality, price and style is unparalleled to anything else on the internet. I will continue to use it for this purpose. There is no way in hell I am ever going to put up pictures when I am 100%  certain I am going to get bashed, put down and spat out because the sleeve is an 1/8th of an inch too short and then be directed to a GQ article where someone is bouncing around in a suit wearing sneakers.

 

Hats off to Simon for starting this thread. I wouldn't do it considering what this forum did to Indochino in regards to 'fit'.

 

Michael

post #55 of 436
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Originally Posted by Michael Sy View Post

All

 

I just had to create an account because I am sitting here shaking my head so much it might fall off.

 

I have been a long term poster on this forum: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1358916 . We are currently discussing Simon's suits in that thread.

 

I have been following this thread since its creation and a few things are now certain to me. I will never come to SF for advice on the fit of a suit. The vitriol splashed across every page of this thread is disgusting. I don't know whether it is the pursuit of the impossible perfection, general disgust at a new online player, brainwashed by GQ or just plain trolling.

 

You users questioned whether Simon paid for that article on page 1 to be written about Elite, I question whether you users are paid to bash brands on the internet for a job.

 

To me, that formal suit the young fellow was wearing looked great. He won best dressed award. I would be very happy with a well fitting suit like that. Instead, all I read is, "that suit is way to small, it looks like it was built for a 12 year old, take it down Simon, it is doing you no good". I have never seen more unconstructive criticism. You couldn't even be bothered specifying where it was small or what improvements could be made. In my opinion it fits great, it really compliments his shape. You can put me down for saying that, you can also put me down for voting Ron Paul.

 

There is a fine line between 'fitting advice' and abusive nitpicking.

 

You try to give the impression that for suits there it is a black and white story. There is only one way to do it, no other ways. Unfortunately, suits are far from being defined as 'right and wrong'. Some poeple like having ultra short trousers where there is a lot of ankle being revealed - GQ at least. I hate that. So what now?

 

I really value SF forum - I almost always use it as my main source of advice when buying anything clothing. The information and advice on: product workmanship, materials, durability, quality, price and style is unparalleled to anything else on the internet. I will continue to use it for this purpose. There is no way in hell I am ever going to put up pictures when I am 100%  certain I am going to get bashed, put down and spat out because the sleeve is an 1/8th of an inch too short and then be directed to a GQ article where someone is bouncing around in a suit wearing sneakers.

 

Hats off to Simon for starting this thread. I wouldn't do it considering what this forum did to Indochino in regards to 'fit'.

 

Michael

 

I do not have much experience in tailored clothing. But I can tell you that the jacket doesn't look good generally because the length is so short. It just doesn't serve as a good picture for SF members' approval. 

 

The simple advice given on this thread by the various members is this: more SF-approved pictures and less typing. It will help tremendously.

 

Good luck, Simon.


Edited by kevinardente - 10/7/12 at 6:26pm
post #56 of 436
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


this can't be a serious post. It just can't.
now beat it.

 

Your narcissistic attitude has never been challenged on a forum before?

 

You addressed the opening poster with 'holy shit dude' and another member asked me if 'I am mad'? What year were you born? Given the minimal amount of effort you put into your posts, I don't know that anyone can take YOU seriously.

 

A slim fit suit is characterised by a short jacket. His jacket is deliberately short. Slim fit means no extra fabric, tight, very tight. It is also well known that you Americans like things 'loose', so of course this is going to look tight.

 

Before I do beat it, educate me, upload a picture of YOU wearing a suit that you think all of us 'Whirlpoolians' should follow.

post #57 of 436
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Originally Posted by Michael Sy View Post

Your narcissistic attitude has never been challenged on a forum before?

You addressed the opening poster with 'holy shit dude' and another member asked me if 'I am mad'? What year were you born? Given the minimal amount of effort you put into your posts, I don't know that anyone can take YOU seriously.

A slim fit suit is characterised by a short jacket. His jacket is deliberately short. Slim fit means no extra fabric, tight, very tight. It is also well known that you Americans like things 'loose', so of course this is going to look tight.

Before I do beat it, educate me, upload a picture of YOU wearing a suit that you think all of us 'Whirlpoolians' should follow.

Firstly, there is nothing to suggest that a slim fit suit will need an excessively short jacket. Even slim jackets should nearly cover your ass. This guy's jacket barely makes it to his belt line. Furthermore, there is a huge difference between tight and not fitting. Look at how badly the lapels bow out and the button pulls. This is simply wrong. If you spent more time reading and learning on this forum, you might know that.

I've posted pics before, I'm not about to take one specifically for some 2 post rookie with no idea how a suit should fit.

oh, and i'm not american although I now live in america.
post #58 of 436
The TL;DR summary of this thread... People with questionable taste and (possibly) questionable measurement skills purchased some online MTM suits. Dude in Australia thinks SF membership worships GQ. Elite proprietor is verbose. Someone is trolling someone about something, maybe. Crotch-length jacket with nipple-high button stance wins no props from forum.
post #59 of 436
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Originally Posted by Martinet View Post

Okay. Not a photographer and not a brilliant camera, but nonetheless, for your perusal:

My apologies if I dress boringly.





Shoulders on the shirt are a bit short but that is probably my fault with the measurements (Though the jacket seems to have turned out fine on the same numbers) Similarly the sleeves are a bit narrow, and restrict full movement of my elbow. I also find the tails of the shirt don't fall low enough, and are liable to untuck themselves if I lift my arms.







There you go, hope it helps. If you want to see anything else in particular let me know.
Thanks for posting pics. IMO, I don't think your shirt sleeves are too short; I would actually say the jacket sleeves are a bit on the long side, so I would shorten them so that there is a bit of cuff showing, I would also recommend lenghening the jacked by about 0.5-1" for future suits as it'll balance out your upper and lower halves a little more nicely. Not a bad effort otherwise, although pics of the back would also be helpful. Thanks again for sharing.
post #60 of 436
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Firstly, there is nothing to suggest that a slim fit suit will need an excessively short jacket. Even slim jackets should nearly cover your ass. This guy's jacket barely makes it to his belt line.
I've posted pics before.

I wouldn't go any shorter on the jacket. My opinion and the preference of the other people at this young man's 'prom' is that it looks good. In fact, I would say it is about the exact same length as this gentlemen's jacket: http://myvintageretro.tumblr.com/post/8213731379/asos-slim-fit-suit . His suits certainly don't cover his bum and end just below the belt. It is a 'style'. Probably not classic, but popular in young, slim men in Australia at the moment. It makes the legs look slimmer and longer and makes you sharper over all.

 

Provide a link to the pictures you posted?

 

I do agree that Simon's posts can be interpreted as the 'hard sell'. However, with personal dealings he is professional, succinct and honest. The website does need work and more pictures of people wearing his suits would be great.

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