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post #271 of 435
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This sums up the folly of on-line tailoring. First suit not right, remake wrong in different respects and lacking details agreed. Is it really worth it to get what at best is a compromise garment?

 

That might be a valid argument if you ignore the fact that 95% of transactions go through without any problems. With MTM tailoring you're always going to get some issues. There is a lot of scope for human error to creep in. Orders not being processed properly, tailors making mistakes and of course being given wrong measurements to start with.

 

However, I get far more emails every week from customers thanking me for their great fitting suit than I do from customers with problems and when you consider only a minority of satisfied customers will email you to say thanks as opposed to every customer that has an issue will email you it's a good indication that we're doing things right. It's the same with forums, people will rush to the keyboard if they have a problem with their suit but rarely will you see someone post something like "have a look at my great fitting suit".

 

Take the Indochino thread here for instance. Hundreds of pages of, in many cases, not very good fitting suits. Yet Indochino sell thousands of suits every month yet we only get to see say ten of them and mostly they have been posted because there are issues with the fit. Do you think Indochino would have survived if they couldn't make a decent suit much less grown into the behemoth that they are now? We rely on repeat business to continue to grow. Would customers come back for more suits if their first one wasn't satisfactory?

 

What's the alternative? Buying off the rack? Unless you're extremely lucky your OTR suit is going to need alteration. Yet the pictures we see in all the MTM threads here are almost always as the suit was delivered. If it's your first MTM suit there is a fair chance it will need some tweaking after it arrives. Bring in the jacket waist and hips a touch, a centimetre off the sleeve or jacket  length. Once you have that done to the first suit you then have a template for the second. Tweak the measurements again for the third and so on until you get to the point where you can simply send in a fabric code and say make it the same as the last one.

 

If you want an OTR fitting you can have one. We will send you a size 42 jacket and 40 pants (for example) in a hand made fully canvassed jacket and made from some fairly decent wool for only $399. You will look long and hard to find anything of similar quality in a store at all much less for that price. For only $999 we will send you a completely hand tailored suit made from top quality English fabric such as Holland & Sherry in a standard off the rack size. Good luck finding that in a store.

 

Store bought suits are almost always a cheap factory made fused (or if you're very lucky half) canvas suits slapped together by machines and made from the cheapest wool they can find. No matter what you do to a crap suit it will always remain a crap suit. A well made full canvas suit made from good wool, even if you have to have it altered, will look better and wear longer and prove to be far better value over the long term than any cheap factory made fused suit

post #272 of 435
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Take the Indochino thread here for instance. Hundreds of pages of, in many cases, not very good fitting suits. Yet Indochino sell thousands of suits every month yet we only get to see say ten of them and mostly they have been posted because there are issues with the fit. Do you think Indochino would have survived if they couldn't make a decent suit much less grown into the behemoth that they are now? We rely on repeat business to continue to grow. Would customers come back for more suits if their first one wasn't satisfactory?

To be quite frank, I think that the main reason that Indochino does a lot of business, is because the people who are buying from Indochino don't know that much about suits and about what looks good. Harsh? Yes, probably. I realise that it's a very small sample size, but I know three people who have ordered suits from Indochino and, whilst they weren't appalling, they were all bad and nothing that I would ever wear.

It seems to me that a lot of on-line MTO places rely upon cheap prices to attract people who are relatively ignorant of what a good, well-fitting suit is like but who have read that "MTO is great" in various fashion puff pieces in newspapers and magazines and so they think that rather than spending time trying on clothes to find out what fits them and what looks good, they go straight to MTO even though they don't really know what they like or what suits them.

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What's the alternative? Buying off the rack? Unless you're extremely lucky your OTR suit is going to need alteration. Yet the pictures we see in all the MTM threads here are almost always as the suit was delivered. If it's your first MTM suit there is a fair chance it will need some tweaking after it arrives. Bring in the jacket waist and hips a touch, a centimetre off the sleeve or jacket  length. Once you have that done to the first suit you then have a template for the second. Tweak the measurements again for the third and so on until you get to the point where you can simply send in a fabric code and say make it the same as the last one.

You make a good point that when people post pictures of MTO stuff, it's often as it was delivered, so that they can ask for a critique of the fit before having alterations done.

But that doesn't overcome the big difference between buying online MTO clothes, and buying OTR clothes from a store - you can try the OTR clothes on first so that you know how it will fit you, what alterations it will need, how much it will cost (if the seller doesn't cover the cost of alterations).

MTO clothing often takes one or two attempts to get the fit sorted out, and that process is made more difficult by the online MTO process. The lower prices helps to compensate for that.
post #273 of 435
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To be quite frank, I think that the main reason that Indochino does a lot of business, is because the people who are buying from Indochino don't know that much about suits and about what looks good. Harsh? Yes, probably. I realise that it's a very small sample size, but I know three people who have ordered suits from Indochino and, whilst they weren't appalling, they were all bad and nothing that I would ever wear.
 

 

Whilst I agree to a certain extent I do think it's a little harsh. Despite what a lot of members here think there are no hard and fast rules about how a suit should fit. It's very much a matter of individual taste. For example I like my jackets to be a little longer than current fashion while many people now go for slightly shorter jackets. I like a little room in my jacket even though a slimmer fit is definitely the popular choice. In Asia and northern Europe they like their jacket so tight I wonder how they even fit into them.

 

The majority of suit today are still OTR and all you need to do is go into any CBD to see a massive assortment of suits that don't fit and they are just about all OTR fittings. I once went to a conference mainly to hear one of the speakers. This guy would be on a fairly reasonable six figure salary and spoke for 40 minutes. I have no idea of what he said as I was transfixed on how badly his suit fitted. It was like he borrowed someone else's suit for the day as there was nowhere it fitted him.

 

One thing about a good MTM company is that they can educate the customer. If a customer is placing a second order I sometimes ask them to send me a picture of them in their first suit. I can then suggest some changes to improve the fit and show them how they can measure their first suit so we can make the adjustments easily. So not only do we achieve the goal of a better fitting suit, the customer also learns more about what a good fitting suit should be.

 

Your last point about about never wearing an Indochino suit, what you may forget is that they sell $300-$400 suits. While I personally would never wear a factory made fused suit they are reasonable value for what you get. All my suits are now made from very high quality wool and completely hand stitched. Reading your posts I would suggest that you also look for a little more quality in your suits and perhaps a cheaper factory made fused suit is not for you either. However, there is a market there for these type of suits and I think they are better suits that what you would buy in a store for a similar price.

post #274 of 435
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Let's see if we can change the tempo a little bit and prompt some worthwhile discussion.

 

How about sharing with your fellow Styleforum members some details of the next suit you intend to buy.

 

I already have enough business suits so I'm looking for a more casual look. I've purchased a lightweight (280gsm) blue Irish linen from an English fabric merchant

 

 

I've sent it to one of our specialist bespoke tailors to make a suit with an unstructured jacket. Three buttons but rolled to the second and with patch pockets. Should be a great suit for our hotter summers and can be worn anywhere. Great for a casual BBQ and all you need to do is team it with a decent shirt and you're fine for dinner. The jacket by itself will look great thrown over a pair of jeans and a light coloured T-shirt. Should end up being the most versatile suit I own

post #275 of 435
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To be quite frank, I think that the main reason that Indochino does a lot of business, is because the people who are buying from Indochino don't know that much about suits and about what looks good. ......

This comment is a classic example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. Someone learns a little bit about a topic. Then, they start to think that everyone else is a bumbling idiot. The fact that Indochino isn't one of the core "Styleforum approved" companies doesn't mean that the customer base is a group of morons or that they don't "know about suits." You can find just as many morons at SuitSupply, BB, RL and other SF favorites. The only difference is that the latter companies have become a part of group-think.

post #276 of 435
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I have put the Milan Collection suit deal on the site. Buy any of our "Almost Bespoke" or "Rockstar and Royalty" tailoring package and you can add the full canvas Milan suit for only $199.

 

This suit is currently selling on the site HERE for $568 so it's a saving of $369 off the normal price. So you can now purchase a hand tailored full canvas suit in a great high quality Italian suiting wool Just like this one which is an actual Milan suit purchased by an Elite Suit customer

 

 

as well as a fully hand stitched suit made with fabric from some of the worlds great clothmakers such as Holland & Sherry for as little as $1,198. That's only $599 for each suit. Compare that to what you would pay elsewhere for two factory made fused suits slapped together by machines and it's hard to go past the value

 

We will send the Milan suit first so you can make adjustments to your measurements so that the bespoke quality suit should be a great fit straight out of the box.

 

Combine this offer with the Huddersfield Cloth Specials and you can save up to almost $2,000 off our already low prices and thousands more compared with buying in store.

 

There are some terms and conditions attached to this offer which you should be aware of before making your purchase so please read the BLOG ENTRY HERE before you buy.

 

You can buy the discounted Milan suit HERE.   

 

We're trying to make it easy for you to buy high quality suits. This brings world's best fabrics and tailoring well into the reach of the average suitbuyer.


Edited by Simon at Elite - 6/12/13 at 11:22pm
post #277 of 435
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Some great news on the Huddersfield Cloth Specials

 

The management of Huddersfield Cloth have been impressed with the amount of orders we have made and have now given us access to all their remaining stock of the special offers. There are now over 50 different fabrics to choose from in various styles, colours, weaves and wool type including some of the new “Cool Wool” which is a special type of wool that has been developed by our friends at Woolmark.

 

You can see the full range of fabrics HERE and there is something for everyone. To give you an indication of just what great value these cloths are we have put our normal selling price under each one. This is the price we would sell the suit for if we had to pay the normal trade price for the wool. Remember though this is the price we would sell for with all the cost savings of being internet based. If we had all the extra costs of running a store such as stock, rent and staff costs just to name a few, we would have to charge at least double that price if not more.

 

Please note though that some of these fabrics are only available in extremely limited quantities. Some of them only have enough to make two or three suits. We are unable to guarantee any particular cloth will still be available but those who buy early will have the greatest choice

 

Don't forget you can add the full canvas Milan suit for only $199 more.

post #278 of 435
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Nine new fabrics added to the Huddersfield Cloth specials. Read more about this magnificent offer HERE and see the full range of fabrics HERE

 

Also, as some of these specials are great jacketing fabrics we have added the opportunity to buy Sports Jackets HERE. There are opportunities to save over $1,000 on these magnificent jackets

 

Here's one suggestion for your suit

 

 

 

(Click on the photos for a larger view.)

 

It's an Ice Blue Price of Wales check.70% s100's wool and 30% Kid Mohair. At only an amazing 230gsm (8oz) it's a perfect summer weight cloth that would make a stunning suit for more casual occasions and you can have this fully hand stitched full canvas suit delivered to your door for only $999.

 

Then you can add this for only $199 more

 

 

A s130's Italian made cloth in a medium to dark grey with white pinstripes. Hand tailored with a full canvas it's a perfect suit for the office.

 

At $1,198 for both it works out to be only $599 each. One for the office and a stunning suit for the weekend.

 

Beat that for value

post #279 of 435
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Wow! Haven't we been busy? So busy I haven't been able to update the thread in almost three weeks. Not surprisingly, many people have found the offer of two hand made full canvas suits for $1,198 hard to resist. Seeing that works out to be $599 each and you can easily pay for more than that for a standard factory made fused suit it makes for a highly attractive offer.

 

Here's a great combination a customer purchased over the weekend.

 

The Milan suit was in a beautiful self striped charcoal

 

 

This is a really nice fabric. Soft to the touch, great colour with the self striping adding a touch of texture to the suit. Remember this is a fully canvassed suit not your basic fused and not slapped together in a factory that churns out hundreds of the same suit everyday but rather handmade by trained and experienced tailors in their own workshops.

 

 

The second suit was a plain blue

 

 

 

Now this is as far away from factory made tailoring as you can get. Not only is it hand made but it' fully hand stitched by specialist bespoke tailors. Not even a sewing machine on this one but every stitch done by hand in the traditional manner that tailors have been making suits for centuries. Of course it's fully canvassed and the fabric is a bespoke quality Holland & Sherry who are without doubt one of the world's greatest cloth makers. Seriously, who wouldn't want a suit of this quality in their wardrobe?

 

Two great hand made full canvas suits for only $1,198 or $599 each. That's a genuine bargain in anyone's language.

 

Unfortunately though it's not going to last much longer. The recent strength of the US dollar is putting pressure on everyone's margins and as we work on a lower margin than most it's affecting us badly. Prices everywhere are rising (I notice that all the Indochino suits are now above the US$400 mark) and while we are going to hold out a little bit longer eventually we are going to have to raise ours as well so if this is something you're thinking about I suggest you get your order in as soon as possible.

 

Our US based customers should move quickly to take advantage of their rising currency. According to XE.com AUD$1,198 works out less than $1,100 US dollars which makes this offer under $549 per suit and even our Canadian customers save on the currency conversion.

 

It's not going to last so take advantage of it while you can and pick yourself up an even better bargain

post #280 of 435
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On our standard suits have you seen our Back to Work special? This is a fantastic offer for those trying to build a corporate wardrobe

 

2 x Two piece suits

2 x Extra trousers

5 x Shirts

 

All for $849 or you can have the suits fully canvassed for only $999. On current exchange rates that's that's just a little over $900 US dollars and includes delivery anywhere.

 

Two suits, extra trousers for each that will extend the overall life of your suit and a shirt for every working day for only $849. That's excellent value. In fact it's cheaper than two standard suits from most other places.

 

You can see the offer HERE

 

Remember though prices are going to rise sometime this month so if it sounds interesting then I would get it now while the price is so hot.

post #281 of 435

I'm a bit confused. Are the prices on the website (and your posts here) in AUD, not USD?

 

 

EDIT!

 

Nevermind. There's a conversion box near the top of the screen.

post #282 of 435
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Originally Posted by Simon at Elite View Post

On our standard suits have you seen our Back to Work special? This is a fantastic offer for those trying to build a corporate wardrobe

 

2 x Two piece suits

2 x Extra trousers

5 x Shirts

 

All for $849 or you can have the suits fully canvassed for only $999. On current exchange rates that's that's just a little over $900 US dollars and includes delivery anywhere.

 

Two suits, extra trousers for each that will extend the overall life of your suit and a shirt for every working day for only $849. That's excellent value. In fact it's cheaper than two standard suits from most other places.

 

You can see the offer HERE

 

Remember though prices are going to rise sometime this month so if it sounds interesting then I would get it now while the price is so hot.


Do you have photo's that show your trouser construction? button closures, curtained waist bands? etc?

post #283 of 435
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Do you have photo's that show your trouser construction? button closures, curtained waist bands? etc?

 

I use 11 different tailors and none of them have ever offered or mentioned the availability of a curtained waistband nor have I ever been asked for one by a customer. At the level of tailoring we use for the back to work special I'd say no but at the higher end where we use specialist bespoke tailors I would say it could be done but I would have to ask.

 

Standard closures use a hook but using a button instead should not pose a problem. With the extended tab closures it's normally a hook and button although one tailor sent me trousers with a small flap under the tab that buttons on top of the fly and the button for the tab

 

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I'm a bit confused. Are the prices on the website (and your posts here) in AUD, not USD?

 

 

EDIT!

 

Nevermind. There's a conversion box near the top of the screen.

 

Prices should look very attractive in US dollars (I'll check the conversion rate being used) however I can assure you it's not going to last long. At current rates it brings the full canvas Beijing Suit down to about $370 US dollars. When you consider that places like Indochino have raised their price on their standard black suit to $449 then $370 is a bargain. When you consider that, while there will be some differences between the two, theirs is a factory made fused suit and ours is a fully canvassed suit hand made by experienced tailors it looks even better.

 

As much as I'd like to keep these prices it's simply not sustainable even at our lower operating margins. However, before we raise the prices we're trying to give a heads up and allow our international customers to grab an even better bargain while it's still available so if you're thinking of buying a new suit I'd get in quick.

 

With the wild fluctuations in currency it may be worth buying in AUD and letting Paypal or your credit card company do the conversion

post #284 of 435
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Originally Posted by Simon at Elite View Post

 

I use 11 different tailors and none of them have ever offered or mentioned the availability of a curtained waistband nor have I ever been asked for one by a customer. At the level of tailoring we use for the back to work special I'd say no but at the higher end where we use specialist bespoke tailors I would say it could be done but I would have to ask.

 

Standard closures use a hook but using a button instead should not pose a problem. With the extended tab closures it's normally a hook and button although one tailor sent me trousers with a small flap under the tab that buttons on top of the fly and the button for the tab

 

 

Prices should look very attractive in US dollars (I'll check the conversion rate being used) however I can assure you it's not going to last long. At current rates it brings the full canvas Beijing Suit down to about $370 US dollars. When you consider that places like Indochino have raised their price on their standard black suit to $449 then $370 is a bargain. When you consider that, while there will be some differences between the two, theirs is a factory made fused suit and ours is a fully canvassed suit hand made by experienced tailors it looks even better.

 

As much as I'd like to keep these prices it's simply not sustainable even at our lower operating margins. However, before we raise the prices we're trying to give a heads up and allow our international customers to grab an even better bargain while it's still available so if you're thinking of buying a new suit I'd get in quick.

 

With the wild fluctuations in currency it may be worth buying in AUD and letting Paypal or your credit card company do the conversion

Here is a photo of a curtained/pleated waistband. I believe they use a 3 button closure as well. I know Zanella is a 3 button.

post #285 of 435

I was told by Simon my hand-stitched suit, custom shirt as well as a replacement pair of trousers was shipped on Saturday. Hopefully it'll arrive soon and I'll post some pictures. 

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