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post #241 of 444
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Originally Posted by VinnyMac View Post

Across the upper back, from shoulder to shoulder. Some companies just call it the "shoulder measurement," but for me, it works best when combined with a measurement from the top of the shoulder.
I see, thanks.
post #242 of 444
Thread Starter 

One of the problems of selling online is it's so hard to show the value you actually get for your money. One indication is the growing sales I'm making to Asian countries. Every month I sell a couple of suits to Asian customers and it's a part of my business that continues to grow.

 

If you want a cheap machine made fused suit then Asia is certainly the place to go. However, businessmen in Asia, just like everywhere else, look for quality at a value for money price. High quality tailoring with world class fabrics in Asia isn't as cheap as many people think. You can easily pay well over $1,500 for a hand tailored suit

 

Earlier today we sold one of out Holland & Sherry suits to a customer in Beijing China. This is his second suit from us

 

So why would someone from China, where cheap suits are plentiful, pay $1,199 for a suit off the internet that's going to be made in Shanghai anyway?

 

1. The price for this quality is competitive even for China. The tailor that makes this suit also contracts to a store in the Pudong financial district in Shanghai and his suits selling there start at $1,500 for a two piece in lesser quality wool.

 

2. The customer understands the quality of the tailoring. This is as far away from machine made factory tailoring as you can get

 

3. The fabric isn't your base range of Holland & Sherry wool. This is an extremely high quality bespoke wool

 

4. As we source and import the fabrics independently from the UK the customer can be sure it's genuine Holland & Sherry. There is no shortage of fake brand name wool in Asia. I was offered some only a few weeks ago at around a third of the price I pay for the UK sourced fabrics and no shipping either. Pick your brand name and they will supply it printed selvedge and all.

 

I'm sure it may sound good to some people until the customer has the suit for a few month and the wool starts to deteriorate noticeably and the customer realises he's been scammed. Obviously it's not what we want so we firmly told the supplier to take a hike.

 

High quality suits even in Asia cost money and you only ever get what you pay for. Even in China a hand tailored Elite Suit represents value for money

post #243 of 444

Hey mate. few questions for you:

 

1- Do you have any kind of irl presence? I'll be in Sydney in a few weeks and would be much more likely to have faith in your service if I could see any of your previous work and/or get some personal advice on fitting/style/etc.

 

2- Whilst I profess to having little to no clue about such things at the moment, the whole Tom Ford debacle from a few pages back could I think be resolved somewhat if you could tell us whether a 'true' Tom Ford style could be easily achieved. So the client didn't want such a wide lapel and skimped on the Milanese buttons and such. if someone was to put in an order today for the same suit but with all the missing Ford elements. Would you be able to do it? would it still cost under a grand? (personally I thought the suit itself looked very nice but a little off. and as i am only now searching for my first serious suit I know a lot less than everyone else on here)

 

realistically, given what you have on offer seems to be so customizable, is it so hard to just ship some measurements and show you a pic of a nice Ford/Kiton/Oxxford/etc suit and say "make me this"?

post #244 of 444
Thread Starter 

This weeks specials from Huddersfield Cloth are now up on the blog.

 

There are some superb s'150's cool wool that they normally sell for over $200 per metre. while stocks remain available you can have this superfine fabric made into a fully hand made custom tailored suit for an amazing low $999.

 

At over $200 per metre for the fabric we would normally charge $2,399 for a suit. I would suggest that you would pay double that at your local tailor

 

You can see the fabrics HERE and buy the suit HERE

 

Don't forget if you buy this suit you can add the two piece Milan Collection suit for only $199 saving yet another $368 just send me a message via the website

 

That's two hand made full canvas hand made suits for only $1198 or just $599 each including a fully hand stitched suit from a specialist bespoke tailor that we would normally charge $2,399 for even at our discounted prices and you could easily pay $5,000 or more at a tailors.

 

Yet people will pay $400 plus for a factory made fused suit at other online sites and think they got a bargain. Mystifies me completely.

post #245 of 444

I placed an order for two suits and a shirt a few weeks back and my $200 Milan Suit arrived today. This is the fourth suit I ordered from Simon so the fit is moreorless down pat. I'll post some fit pictures when I give the suit a quick steam press. 

A few points however,

1. Fabric was of a very nice quality, similar to the something one might find at MJ Bale or Herringbone. The wool had a very smooth hand but was very crisp and it had a nice thick feel to it. 

2. A very crisp and thick canvas was used for this suit. I could clearly discern it when handling the suit.  

3. Lining however, was a cheap polyester. It was very thin and I could see through to some of the stitches and reinforcement the tailors used on the other side. My $100 Alfani suit jacket had better quality lining than this. 
4. Buttons again, are very cheap plastic. I have a feeling the the buttons are going to need to be restitched at some point, similar to the Beijing and Shanghai suits which I ordered from Simon a year earlier.

 

For a $200 suit, I would say that it is very good. I would hesitate to pay the full $568 that Simon charges for it but for $200 on top of a hand stitched suit, it's a steal. Simon was very helpful in helping me select a  very nice petrol/air force blue fabric which did not appear on the website. Fit pictures to be coming soon.  


Edited by Stebbin - 5/24/13 at 5:59am
post #246 of 444
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Originally Posted by Stebbin View Post

I placed an order for two suits and a shirt a few weeks back and my $200 Milan Suit arrived today. This is the fourth suit I ordered from Simon so the fit is moreorless down pat. I'll post some fit pictures when I give the suit a quick steam press. 

A few points however,

1. Fabric was of a very nice quality, similar to the something one might find at MJ Bale or Herringbone. The wool had a very smooth hand but was very crisp and it had a nice thick feel to it. 

2. A very crisp and thick canvas was used for this suit. I could clearly discern it when handling the suit.  

3. Lining however, was a cheap polyester. It was very thin and I could see through to some of the stitches and reinforcement the tailors used on the other side. My $100 Alfani suit jacket had better quality lining than this. 
4. Buttons again, are very cheap plastic. I have a feeling the the buttons are going to need to be restitched at some point, similar to the Beijing and Shanghai suits which I ordered from Simon a year earlier.

 

For a $200 suit, I would say that it is very good. I would hesitate to pay the full $568 that Simon charges for it but for $200 on top of a hand stitched suit, it's a steal. Simon was very helpful in helping me select a  very nice petrol/air force blue fabric which did not appear on the website. Fit picturPoes to be coming soon.  

Thanks for the insight...looking forward to the fit pictures.

post #247 of 444

I had a chance to press the jacket and trousers today. Anyway, here are my photos. Just for full disclosure, this is my fourth suit from Elite so I had several opportunities to refine my measurements, particularly around the shoulders. I also submitted a photo to Simon this time for them to get the sleeve pitch right.  I feel that overall, the fit is very good given that it is my fourth suit.

 

The jacket is comfortable, length is good, shoulders have been tweaked and sleeve pitch issues have been largely resolved. I had asked for some high armholes and while it appears they followed the directions, the exact location and cut of the armholes isn't the best position and there is some pulling on the sleeves when I raise my arms. This appears to be a problem with the standard pattern they use for the suits at the handmade grade. For $200, I can't really expect a bespoke fit. 

 

The fabric I selected is a petrol blue which hasn't yet appeared on the website to my knowledge but which Simon provided on request. 

Some photos of the buttons at the front. Fairly cheap plastic buttons. Stitching isn't the best but it'll hold for now. I might fork out for some better quality buttons and have a tailor replace them at some point. 

 

 

Buttons on cuffs aren't sewn on straight. I may have requested working button cuffs but these will do. Sometimes, thing get lost in translation. 

 

 

 

I can see through the lining to pieces of the suiting fabric that got stuck during the construction process. It appears particularly around the jacket pockets and it may be just reinforcement. As I noted, the lining is very thin. They generally use the same colour for the lining piping, as I haven't requested any deviations from this detail. Not sure if they could do some contrast lining around pockets in the future. 

 

Front of the jacket. Apologies for the slightly crooked tie. 

 

 

Back shot. I may have been standing in a weird posture which would explain the trouser winkles. The measurements I have imputed have previously yielded a very comfortable pair of trousers with a very clean look. I'm not sure what's exactly going on here but I'll look into it and perhaps press the pants again.  

post #248 of 444
It looks pretty good I must say, there re a few things you could improve on your next one I reckon.

The cuff height is a bit ridiculous, are they 6cm cuffs? 5cm should be the maximum and if those are 5 then you should consider 4. Buttoning point could be lowered 1-2cm and coat lengthened 1-2cm too, but like I said it looks pretty nice and clean, not lumpy like most online MTM suits I see. The issues at the back look like you are either leaning forward or there is a balance issue with the trousers.
post #249 of 444
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Originally Posted by Henry Carter View Post

It looks pretty good I must say, there re a few things you could improve on your next one I reckon.

The cuff height is a bit ridiculous, are they 6cm cuffs? 5cm should be the maximum and if those are 5 then you should consider 4. Buttoning point could be lowered 1-2cm and coat lengthened 1-2cm too, but like I said it looks pretty nice and clean, not lumpy like most online MTM suits I see. The issues at the back look like you are either leaning forward or there is a balance issue with the trousers.

 

I noticed all the same issues, along with those mentioned by Stebbin himself, but it's certainly the best example I've seen of Elite's output so far. Nice colour fabric too.

post #250 of 444

That looks a lot better than the other suits that I've seen in this thread. The ugliness on the back of the pants and the button stance have already been pointed out, but that's very solid for $200.

post #251 of 444

Oddly enough, I had requested a lower buttoning stance and compared to some of my earlier suits, it is lower by about 1cm than some of the other jackets. However, I guess the tailors could have taken it down further. The next suit I've got coming in is a double breasted in a blue windowpane with very wide lapels. The jacket should be slightly shorter than this one. Simon says it should be ready within a couple of weeks.  

post #252 of 444

Have you gotten any explanation for  the crooked plastic buttons and thin lining?

post #253 of 444

I emailed Simon and it's the grade of materials used for this suit and the ability of the tailor. I was assured the hand stitched one that's coming in will be using better quality linings and buttons. That said, I do believe that it's something Elite should be working on improving especially for their handmade suits.

 

If I were paying the full price of $568 for this suit, I probably wouldn't be happy with the crappy buttons and lining, especially given that SuitSupply, Institchu, Indochino and Black Lapel all offer horn buttons, bemberg linings and properly stitched buttonholes at that price range. Heck, even TM lewin and Charles Tyrwhitt OTR does that and they occupy a lower price range than elite, albeit their suits are half-canvassed rather than full-canvassed. The quality of the wool is good but I believe the details and quality control need work and the standard pattern the tailors use for these suits aren't really suitable for high armholes. 

Nonetheless, the fit is better than most OTR suits and I am very satisfied with this suit as a whole. Looking forward to the next one. 


Edited by Stebbin - 5/25/13 at 9:08pm
post #254 of 444
For $200 that's pretty good.

A tailor (a very good one) can likely replace the lining as well; go for bemberg.

And the buttons are an easy fix too.
post #255 of 444
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Originally Posted by Stebbin View Post

I emailed Simon and it's the grade of materials used for this suit and the ability of the tailor. I was assured the hand stitched one that's coming in will be using better quality linings and buttons. That said, I do believe that it's something Elite should be working on improving especially for their handmade suits.

If I were paying the full price of $568 for this suit, I probably wouldn't be happy with the crappy buttons and lining, especially given that SuitSupply, Institchu, Indochino and Black Lapel all offer horn buttons, bemberg linings and properly stitched buttonholes at that price range. Heck, even TM lewin and Charles Tyrwhitt OTR does that and they occupy a lower price range than elite, albeit their suits are half-canvassed rather than full-canvassed. The quality of the wool is good but I believe the details and quality control need work and the standard pattern the tailors use for these suits aren't really suitable for high armholes. 


Nonetheless, the fit is better than most OTR suits and I am very satisfied with this suit as a whole. Looking forward to the next one. 

Looking forward to see the hand finishing suit pictures and details. I agree with the $200 the fit is not bad however nothing to be desired from the details and finishing.
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