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Elite Suits - Official Affiliate Thread - Page 15post #211 of 4444/29/13 at 1:15am
Styleforum Top Pickspost #212 of 4444/29/13 at 1:55amGeez fellas, way to act like a bunch of tools....
Elite may not be your cup of tea (and they arent mine either fwiw) but at least have just a little bit of respect for the advertisers on this site, that are trying to run a business and respect that Simon pays money to have this thread active. If you don't like it just move on to the next thread.post #213 of 4444/29/13 at 3:31amQuote:Originally Posted by Henry Carter
Geez fellas, way to act like a bunch of tools....
Elite may not be your cup of tea (and they arent mine either fwiw) but at least have just a little bit of respect for the advertisers on this site, that are trying to run a business and respect that Simon pays money to have this thread active. If you don't like it just move on to the next thread.
I agree that this is getting ridiculous. Earlier, most of the criticisms were aimed at improving Elite's business and in particular Simon's way of presenting it (at least mine were), now it is just getting juvenile.
However, I don't believe anyone here is under any obligation to 'respect' any advertisers at all. I don't see that paying money gives you anything more than what it gives you: space. If your product is good and you engage with members (who let's not forget are not just 'customers' - this is a forum) in a way that suggests respect, then the relationship will only improve. Your attitude is one from which Simon could learn a lot in this regard. The problem is that he shows no sign of being prepared to learn very much from constructive criticism, which has meant some people have turned increasingly to ridicule. It could have been so different and it still could be...post #214 of 4444/29/13 at 3:39amTo be fair, "Simon" has been using fairly impudent and dishonest selling tactics (e.g., "This suit is better than Tom Ford") to sell his suits.
And besides, Henry, this site is a forum--a place for consumers to discuss in detail the relative merits (and flaws) of different clothing producers.post #215 of 4444/29/13 at 3:46am
I just read this whole thread, because I'm a bit of an insomniac.
Simon At Elite: I'm attracted to your H&S fabrics, and the idea of getting a customized fully canvassed suit for uner 1k. Your point that you only make suits to the given specifications is fair, but this means that the true value that you provide is making the suit to my specifications in a quality way. This is why EVERYONE is asking you for quality pics of the product. Show us pattern matching, lapel roll, pick stitching done by hand, a canvas with stitches to give shape. Here is a video showing Oxxford clothes doing it well. Ideally, all of these details would be demonstrated on a clasically tailored suit, like the ones shown in the thread that another poster referred you to.
What ever happened to providing a suit to one of the senior members here? As others have mentioned, a review from one of these members - particulalry tailors like atailor or JeffreyD - would carry a lot of weight with forum lurkers (like me). You mentioned being willing to do it, but without followthrough it looks like an idle promise.
And, as everyone mentioned, that webpage is rough. Verbose. Are you using stock photography of other people's work?
I don't mean to denigrate the work that you've done. I'm sure that establishing the business has been a lot of work. If you would implement these changes (which are what everyone has been suggesting in the last 200 posts), you would get substantially more business from Styleforum members in the future.post #216 of 4444/29/13 at 3:55amYou both make good points. Engaging is one of the most important things on here and In running an online business. "selling" is a much smaller part.
Loathing you are exactly right, it is a place to discuss these things and even critisize (constructively) but this has gone past discussion and firmly in to ridicule and joking. I have no stake in the argument beyond I don't like to see people ganged up on by posters who I've always found pretty respectful outside of this thread.post #217 of 4444/29/13 at 4:14ampost #218 of 4444/29/13 at 4:45amI agree that this is getting out of hand. I happened to stumble upon these posts by chance and let's all be civilised here and not be ravenous wolves tearing Simon apart. I may not fall under Elite's clientèle as I am not (yet) a believer of online MTM, and neither have I commissioned a MTM in any store for that matter. But from Simon's posts, I can tell he firmly believes in delivering his goods to his customers and he seems rather dedicated in making that extra mile to his customers. That is a good trait to have on this forum as an affiliate seller.
I am a buyer of Tom Ford suits and from what I can see from the pics, the suit bear no resemblance to a Tom Ford suit. I can say a lot of things of what is wrong with it if it was meant to be a 'replica' of a Tom Ford suit. I would certainly approach with caution in trying to advertise the ability to replicate a Tom Ford suit for a way cheaper price. And if you put a picture on the web that doesn't look quite like Tom Ford. Criticisms is going to flock.
Bear in mind, that the complexity of canvassing a Tom Ford suit has been highlighted before, and replicating it is no easy task. But truth be told that it can be done. Just like how Tom Ford tore down some of Savile Row's suits and took what he like and piece them together as a Tom Ford suit. And I guarantee you that what Tom Ford did was very very well thought out. Tedious efforts & rigorous hours has been put through back and forth before achieving his desired outcome. Tom Ford has very specific details that he does not compromise. Even the Zegna representative spoke about Tom Ford's factory and his specification for handstitch milanese buttons which slows down production time, but it has to be done. Speak to any of Tom Ford's higher office representatives. They will tell you that every minute details down to what type of flowers, to the type of lamps and songs to be played in the store has to be approved by Tom Ford himself... now, some say that is bordering to OCD, while others, marvelled at his attention-to-detail and no-room-for-compromise attitude.
As a customer of Tom Ford who experienced disaster when one of his shop-in-shop ruined my sleeves by getting an 'experienced' tailor who was asked hand-stitch the sleeve buttonholes. The outcome was disastrous. To cut the story short, they replaced the sleeves by ordering from Tom Ford and eventually re-attached it back to the suit by another more experienced tailor. This other more experienced tailor has worked for Zegna's MTM for over 15 years is renowned for his craft on Zegna suits, more so his experience on suit tailoring on shoulders, and even this tailor, with the experience on his belt, could not even achieve shoulder robe of Tom Ford. Now I have this suit in my wardrobe that sits there like a sore-thumb. Tom Ford suit is more complex than one would think. Didn't Jefferyd mentioned his Tom Ford suit does not fit like how it does, after tearing it apart and putting it back?
I know there are customers here that seek to have suit just like Tom Ford or whatever suits out there for cheaper. Fair enough. Tom Ford isnt the cheapest and not everyone is willing to part that kindt of money just for a suit, and Elite and may be others, who are trying to bridge that gap, and offering great fabrics to go along with it. I respect that. My point is, be careful in making comparison with replicating high-end suits, it may just backfire...post #219 of 4444/29/13 at 6:37ampost #220 of 4444/29/13 at 6:45ampost #221 of 4444/29/13 at 7:01ampost #222 of 4444/29/13 at 7:02amMilanese lapel hole but machine-made button-holes elsewhere? Pad-stitched lapels? Give me a break. You have bought into the Tom Ford marketing propaganda. They are far from the highest end product on the market. If you like the extreme styling, then fine, but construction wise, they are far from the best.post #223 of 4444/29/13 at 7:04ampost #224 of 4444/29/13 at 7:20amQuote:Originally Posted by quar
Milanese lapel hole but machine-made button-holes elsewhere? Pad-stitched lapels? Give me a break. You have bought into the Tom Ford marketing propaganda. They are far from the highest end product on the market. If you like the extreme styling, then fine, but construction wise, they are far from the best.
Never had I said anywhere that TF was the highest end product on the market. Sure, the remaining of the buttons were machine made. Some can live with it more than others. Everything around us is propaganda. Some more obvious than others. Freedom of choice. Obviously I do not know what I am talking about. Maybe someone should stop putting words in my mouth.post #225 of 4444/29/13 at 7:35amI think people who actually purchased from Simon should be the ones to comment on the fit/quality of the suits; alot of the comments in this thread have crossed over into trolling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Simon was trying to make the point that his suits are manufactured by tailors who put in more man hours than what is put into a typical Tom Ford suit.
It's been acknowledged that TF suits are made in a factory, whereas Simon's suits are made in a small tailoring shop.
So I think instead of making a general statement like "our suits are better than Tom Ford suits", it would be more accurate to say "It takes xx hours to create our suits, compared to Tom Ford suits which take xxx hours".
I wish Simon the best of luck in his endeavour, and look forward to seeing more fit pics from customers.
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