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Originally Posted by jeff13007 View Post

Edit: i just reread your post and realized we were saying the exact same thing. Even though its the "same standard" as Zegna Couture I'm not sure if its the same factory, as i have yet to see a Zegna Couture with a "Made in switzerland" tag, unless the TF section is the only one crossing the border. Also Zegna couture has handmade buttonholes but TF does not

 

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I suppose both TF ready-to-wear and MTM are made in the Couture factory (as is Zegna Couture, of course, and some of the main line(?)). Does anyone know for sure? My TF suit says Italy in the jacket and Switzerland in the pants, by the way.

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so I guess on a scale of 1-10, 1 being poor and 10 being awesome where does Zegna mainline stand in relation to other mass produced labels and where does Tom Ford Lie?

post #33 of 39
JeffreyD talked about how Caruso has different sections in their factory for different types of garments. Machine-made garments would be made in one section, while the handmade stuff (RLPL) is in another. I assume Zegna is set up this way too.

I think Caruso and Zegna are the most comparable in that they have their own labels and produce for other companies as well.
post #34 of 39
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so I guess on a scale of 1-10, 1 being poor and 10 being awesome where does Zegna mainline stand in relation to other mass produced labels and where does Tom Ford Lie?

I've read that Zegna mainline isn't that great. It's fully canvassed and has decent fabrics alot of the time, but isn't it also completely machine made? Can someone confirm/refute this?

Also, 1-10 scale might be a little tough since there are so many brands. I'd put mainline on par with Pal Zileri and Corneliani. Tom Ford would definitely be at the high end (comparable to RLPL, Zegna Couture, Brioni).
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good info as always from klobber. how goes it, pal? .

Good indeed, hanging low and to the left smile.gif
Good to hear from you Stichy wink.gif

Your info is sound, the diff between Couture and Mainline is in price, not so much in overall quality. The fabric is slightly better on Couture but I have handled some Mainline stuff that is equally as nice. Difference between two lines as you pointed out is basically in the eye of the beholder - Couture have hand made button holes, Mainline does not. Otherwise both machine made but whatever people want to think, they are both wonderful suits and I would have no trouble packing my wardrobe with them. It seems you have packed your wardrobe with Zegna - a man of good taste nod[1].gif

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so I guess on a scale of 1-10, 1 being poor and 10 being awesome where does Zegna mainline stand in relation to other mass produced labels and where does Tom Ford Lie?

Mainline 7 to 8
Tom Ford 8 to 9 (same goes for Couture)
Kiton 9 to 10

Based on RTW. If going by some bespoke standards, would need to adjust the scale.
post #36 of 39
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Hah, thanks! I obviously misspelled it upon registering, though facepalm.gif

lolz, no worries. its just as awesome.
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so I guess on a scale of 1-10, 1 being poor and 10 being awesome where does Zegna mainline stand in relation to other mass produced labels and where does Tom Ford Lie?

this has been discussed many times before i am pretty sure. and there are lots of opinions. even within mainline people have found varying quality levels, but on he whole i find the mainline stuff to be fantastic. trofeo and non. i have handled and owned some RLPL and kiton, and brioni ..... and the zegnas i have had are pretty damn close in not equal in some cases. i give them a solid 8, maybe even a 9 on some garments. my cashmere top coat in particular. its unreal.

never had TF, but peeps here seem to say its the shiznit. most say 10 i think.
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I've read that Zegna mainline isn't that great. It's fully canvassed and has decent fabrics alot of the time, but isn't it also completely machine made? Can someone confirm/refute this?
Also, 1-10 scale might be a little tough since there are so many brands. I'd put mainline on par with Pal Zileri and Corneliani. Tom Ford would definitely be at the high end (comparable to RLPL, Zegna Couture, Brioni).

see above. i disagree, i have and have had a ton of their stuff, and i think their mainline is great. also i do not think its entirely machine made, but if so, i want that machine. im sure there is handwork for some or more things. at least on what i own, and my tailors opinion. certainly not entirely handmade, but i dont think that is a huge deal.

i find it to be a step above zileri ime. i have never had corneliani besides for ties so i cant really say. but in my mind, the zegna is generally a step above
post #37 of 39
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Good indeed, hanging low and to the left smile.gif
Good to hear from you Stichy wink.gif
Your info is sound, the diff between Couture and Mainline is in price, not so much in overall quality. The fabric is slightly better on Couture but I have handled some Mainline stuff that is equally as nice. Difference between two lines as you pointed out is basically in the eye of the beholder - Couture have hand made button holes, Mainline does not. Otherwise both machine made but whatever people want to think, they are both wonderful suits and I would have no trouble packing my wardrobe with them. It seems you have packed your wardrobe with Zegna - a man of good taste nod[1].gif
Mainline 7 to 8
Tom Ford 8 to 9 (same goes for Couture)
Kiton 9 to 10
Based on RTW. If going by some bespoke standards, would need to adjust the scale.

glad you are doing well, always nice to check in! cheers.gif


and yes, i have packed a good amount of zegna in my closet. i like to think it is of good taste. smile.gif
post #38 of 39
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The top line of Zegna now is Zegna Couture, with the suit factory in Italy and shirt factory in Switzerland. Up till last year, the top line is called Napoli Couture, with both suiting and shirting factories in Italy. For Napoli Couture or Couture, the Su Misura tag/label is 'hidden' inside the right chest pocket, with client's name and date of order. Regular Zegna would have the Su Misura label on the lining. For regular Zegna, the different fabrics used do not denote 'lines' as we refer it (High Performance, etc.), as they are all manufactured pretty much the same way. For Napoli Couture and now Couture label, the fabrics used are totally different and do not classified into High Performance, etc. --- meaning, you will not find a High Performance Napoli Couture suit. The only exception of 15 milmil 15. Hope I got my information right.


My Napoli Couture suits / sports coats are made in Switzerland, not Italy. Jon.

Just found this quote from this thread
http://www.styleforum.net/t/9128/zegna-napoli-find-at-barneys

So i guess they are made in the same factory as Zegna Couture
post #39 of 39
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Originally Posted by jeff13007 View Post

Just found this quote from this thread
http://www.styleforum.net/t/9128/zegna-napoli-find-at-barneys
So i guess they are made in the same factory as Zegna Couture

i thought imageWIS was back for a minute. frown.gif
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