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post #241 of 501
9/26/12 at 2:13pm
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How on earth did you come to this conclusion? 

After trying out many brands as Corneliani, Zegna, RLPL, Borrelli you name it. Loro Piana is one of the best quality clothing out there (for me as I have tried out so many) And not to mention one of the worlds best qualites/making when it comes to cashmere.

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post #242 of 501
9/26/12 at 2:18pm
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How on earth did you come to this conclusion? 

Yes, I was also curious to get an explanation.
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After trying out many brands as Corneliani, Zegna, RLPL, Borrelli you name it. Loro Piana is one of the best quality clothing out there (for me as I have tried out so many) And not to mention one of the worlds best qualites/making when it comes to cashmere.

But, again, then this just becomes "the brand I like the best."
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post #243 of 501
9/26/12 at 2:19pm
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After trying out many brands as Corneliani, Zegna, RLPL, Borrelli you name it. Loro Piana is one of the best quality clothing out there (for me as I have tried out so many) And not to mention one of the worlds best qualites/making when it comes to cashmere.

Got it.

 

Perhaps they are the greatest cashmere purveyor of all time, and also a top menswear brand (that you love); do you think they might be a little bit to specialized to be thought of as the greatest menswear brand of all time?

 

The greatest of all time is a simple equation to me. Who has:

1.) The greatest amount of sustainability

2,) The greatest amount of favorability among the full spectrum of menswear consumers

3.) Biggest sales

4.) Strongest Heritage

5.) Largest depth and breadth of product offerings 

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post #244 of 501
9/26/12 at 2:31pm
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Got it.

The greatest of all time is a simple equation to me. Who has:
1.) The greatest amount of sustainability
2,) The greatest amount of favorability among the full spectrum of menswear consumers
3.) Biggest sales
4.) Strongest Heritage
5.) Largest depth and breadth of product offerings 

Coming up with a list of 50, not just one, you could tweak that criteria a little bit... especially for (3) and (5)... but overall that's a decent set of standards.

BUT, even then, I'm still curious how Loro Piana could make that list (beyond personal preference) when there are already the additions of both Zegna and, say, Luciano Barbera. I'm open to anything on the list, but IMHO, somebody will have to make a better case than "I like their cashmere" and "it fits me best."
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post #245 of 501
9/26/12 at 3:01pm
A case could probably be made for Loro Piana in the top 100, but I'm not sure about the top 50. They are the gold standard of fabric manufacturers, and did put precious materials in the forefront of menswear - for example, they wee instrumental in the popularization of cashmere. They did a remarkable job of marketing and establishing their place in the industry by the use of marketing exercises like the World Wool Record Challenge Cup, where the message is really "We will pay ridiculous sums for superfine wool from superfine sheep that only drink Veuve and eat peeled grapes. Therefore, do not question our fabrics, ever." The marketing is not unlike that of the marketing for "Kobe" beef, which was genius in marketing in another field.
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post #246 of 501
9/26/12 at 3:19pm
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A case could probably be made for Loro Piana in the top 100, but I'm not sure about the top 50. They are the gold standard of fabric manufacturers, and did put precious materials in the forefront of menswear - for example, they wee instrumental in the popularization of cashmere. They did a remarkable job of marketing and establishing their place in the industry by the use of marketing exercises like the World Wool Record Challenge Cup, where the message is really "We will pay ridiculous sums for superfine wool from superfine sheep that only drink Veuve and eat peeled grapes. Therefore, do not question our fabrics, ever." The marketing is not unlike that of the marketing for "Kobe" beef, which was genius in marketing in another field.

Every time I hear the words "Kobe beef" I think that Kobe is way better then Foreman as genetic engineering is waaay harder to welding some grill.
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post #247 of 501
9/26/12 at 3:24pm
ps: Ralph Lauren sucks but yeah Id include him.
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post #248 of 501
9/26/12 at 4:01pm
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Every time I hear the words "Kobe beef" I think that Kobe is way better then Foreman as genetic engineering is waaay harder to welding some grill.

George Foreman was a freak of nature, so I think that the jury is out on that one.
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post #249 of 501
9/26/12 at 5:28pm
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ps: Ralph Lauren sucks but yeah Id include him.

This is ridiculous teacha.gif

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post #250 of 501
9/26/12 at 5:59pm
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This is ridiculous teacha.gif

yet entitled to his opinion.
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post #251 of 501
9/26/12 at 6:19pm
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yet entitled to his opinion.

Agree, but people are acting cray!

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post #252 of 501
9/26/12 at 6:27pm
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Agree, but people are acting cray!
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He's got a valid point, though, if viewed from a fashion or critical perspective. Fuuma is interested in, and an expert in, the artistic side of fashion, in which case RL is (by any standard) not going to rank terribly highly. As I said several pages ago, put him and his billions in a room with a piece of paper, a pen, and Valentino, and after RL has sketched a nice English country house or a quarterly earnings report, Valentino will have sketched 150 stellar couture dresses.

As well, it's sort of interesting that nobody said, "ZOMG CRAZY!" when people called Gaultier's looks ridiculous. BUT, say RL isn't God Almighty, and people shit their pants.

RL is on the list, fellas, very high to the top. Anybody will admit that. He's not going to win every single category, however... by a long shot.
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post #253 of 501
9/26/12 at 6:35pm
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He's got a valid point, though, if viewed from a fashion or critical perspective. Fuuma is interested in, and an expert in, the artistic side of fashion, in which case RL is (by any standard) not going to rank terribly highly. As I said several pages ago, put him and his billions in a room with a piece of paper, a pen, and Valentino, and after RL has sketched a nice English country house or a quarterly earnings report, Valentino will have sketched 150 stellar couture dresses.
As well, it's sort of interesting that nobody said, "ZOMG CRAZY!" when people called Gaultier's looks ridiculous. BUT, say RL isn't God Almighty, and people shit their pants.
RL is on the list, fellas, very high to the top. Anybody will admit that. He's not going to win every single category, however... by a long shot.

Of course, a few posts back I admitted Ralph's weak point is his actual design ability.  That being said, that weakness is overshadowed, imo.  I would say the majority if not all his collections have pleasing looks, albeit not new new or ground breaking. Imo, saying he sucks is a bit strong. 

 

Was Ralph the one who brought back the extremely structured overbuilt shoulder?  Few photos out there of him in a charcoal DB showcasing this look.

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post #254 of 501
9/26/12 at 6:37pm
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Of course, a few posts back I admitted Ralph's weak point is his actual design ability.  That being said, that weakness is far overshadowed. Imo, saying he sucks is a bit strong. 

Coming from Fuuma that's quite mild; read his gem-posts on mattress buying. He must be tired and/or was typing on a mobile device to write with such lack of zest. lol8[1].gif

It sort of reminds me ,though, of discussions about books, art, or anything else of a period. Get a general discussion of "greatest artists of the 20th century" and of course Picasso will be on the list. Real art critics or historians, though, will mostly roll their eyes. LIkewise, when those historians counter Picasso with Marcel Duchamp, most of the general public will give a big, "huh? The urinal guy??? WTF???"

It's a difference in focus, experience, and criteria for sure, but the last few pages have been interesting for clarifying for the OP how to approach such a discussion in his article.
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post #255 of 501
9/26/12 at 6:41pm
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Coming from Fuuma that's quite mild; read his gem-posts on mattress buying. He must be tired and/or was typing on a mobile device to write with such lack of zest. lol8[1].gif
It sort of reminds me ,though, of discussions about books, art, or anything else of a period. Get a general discussion of "greatest artists of the 20th century" and of course Picasso will be on the list. Real art critics or historians, though, will mostly roll their eyes. LIkewise, when those historians counter Picasso with Marcel Duchamp, most of the general public will give a big, "huh? The urinal guy??? WTF???"
It's a difference in focus, experience, and criteria for sure, but the last few pages have been interesting for clarifying for the OP how to approach such a discussion in his article.

Agreed.

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