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post #436 of 861
11/18/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

Alabama also got 2 1st place votes. Talk about SEC bias.

Yeah because its not like they're the best team in the land playing in the hands down best conference in football. Its a bias.
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post #437 of 861
11/18/12 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by NameBack View Post

So I guess I'm reduced to hoping that both ND and Flordia get upset next week, so that Oregon has a chance to be #2 after Bama and UGA duke it out in the SEC champ.
Fucking Oregon sports teams always manage to choke when it counts.

Don't count the Beavers out against the Ducks. The Beavers are only two field goals short of a perfect season so far.
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post #438 of 861
11/18/12 at 3:37pm
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So I guess I'm reduced to hoping that both ND and Flordia get upset next week, so that Oregon has a chance to be #2 after Bama and UGA duke it out in the SEC champ.
Fucking Oregon sports teams always manage to choke when it counts.

What about FSU?

They'll almost certainly win the ACC. If FSU does manage to beat UF, I think Oregon might be hard pressed to explain why they deserve a title shot over a one-loss conference champion coming off a win over a top-five rival. I know FSU would have a long climb to make so quickly, but their case could be compelling if things all set up the right way.
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post #439 of 861
11/18/12 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

What about FSU?
They'll almost certainly win the ACC. If FSU does manage to beat UF, I think Oregon might be hard pressed to explain why they deserve a title shot over a one-loss conference champion coming off a win over a top-five rival. I know FSU would have a long climb to make so quickly, but their case could be compelling if things all set up the right way.

The strength of schedule hurts my beloved Seminoles. Fucking West Virginia backed out at the last minute, so we had to play Savannah State. Lost by one in the last minute to NC State. The ony decent teams we've beaten are Clemson and....Va Tech. The ACC is just awful this year, and our coach is playcalling so conservatively.

Florida's offense is awful. I'll be at the game and hope we beat them by thirty. However, I expect it will be a close game. Jimbo will play not to lose, and Florida's nastyass defense will keep it close.
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post #440 of 861
11/18/12 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Yeah because its not like they're the best team in the land playing in the hands down best conference in football. Its a bias.

The best team in the land that's been beaten. If everyone had 1 loss then I could understand but ND is undefeated without playing any FCS opponents. I don't know how a coach could justify giving anyone but ND #1 (except for Richt, he polls hard).
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post #441 of 861
11/18/12 at 6:44pm

Barkley is out for the game against ND, USC might have more of a chance if they ruled Kiffin out as well.

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post #442 of 861
11/19/12 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

I think Oregon might be hard pressed to explain why they deserve a title shot over a one-loss conference champion coming off a win over a top-five rival.


How about: They are a superior team playing in a superior conference?
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

The best team in the land that's been beaten. If everyone had 1 loss then I could understand but ND is undefeated without playing any FCS opponents. I don't know how a coach could justify giving anyone but ND #1 (except for Richt, he polls hard).

Dude... I don't even.... like, if you've seen ND play, and if you've seen 'Bama play, there is no way you can make an argument that the Irish are a better team. All you can do is make an argument like you did that relies on a narrative that is in no way reflective of how a team has like, you know, actually played and makes a number of assumptions that once again have no bearing on which team may actually be superior.
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post #443 of 861
11/19/12 at 4:38am
Interesting piece in the WSJ today about what school is really "Quarterback U". It's Purdue confused.gif

Major college programs whose former quarterbacks have made the most NFL starts since 1970:

Purdue 724 (Drew Bress 163)
Washington 623 (Warren Moon 203)
Miami 573 (Vinny Testaverde 214)
USC 547 (and growing, three USC quarterbacks started on Sunday)
Notre Dame 543 (Joe Montana 164)
Stanford 540 (Elway 231)
Michigan 519 (Tom Brady 169)
UCLA 453 (Aikman 165)
Oregon 432 (Fouts 171)
Maryland 399 (Boomer 173)

Despite the Pac-10's dominance of the list, a University of Arizona alum had never started an NFL game at quarterback until Nick Foles.
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post #444 of 861
11/19/12 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

Interesting piece in the WSJ today about what school is really "Quarterback U". It's Purdue confused.gif
Of all the schools, Purdue? facepalm.gif
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post #445 of 861
11/19/12 at 5:34am
Miami self-imposes postseason ban, FSU to play GT in ACC champ, then Big East champ in BCS bowl.... :yawnz:

Also, rumors are that GT may join Maryland in the Big10 if that whole thing happens.
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post #446 of 861
11/19/12 at 6:14am
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

The strength of schedule hurts my beloved Seminoles. Fucking West Virginia backed out at the last minute, so we had to play Savannah State. Lost by one in the last minute to NC State. The ony decent teams we've beaten are Clemson and....Va Tech. The ACC is just awful this year, and our coach is playcalling so conservatively.
Florida's offense is awful. I'll be at the game and hope we beat them by thirty. However, I expect it will be a close game. Jimbo will play not to lose, and Florida's nastyass defense will keep it close.

SOS does hurt, and the loss to an unranked is bad. It doesn't help that Tech just backed into the ACCCG game, either, given Tech sucks pretty bad this year. That being the case, I'm not convinced that FSU should actually get the theoretical spot, but there might be an argument to be made that, should they really drill Florida, FSU should at least be part of the conversation.*

*Note that the main driver behind my point here is that NameBack seemed to think it was a foregone conclusion that Oregon would just slide right back up to #2 if ND and Florida lost. I was trying to illustrate the fact that there are other one-loss teams out there that might well have an argument as to why they should be considered.
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post #447 of 861
11/19/12 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

Interesting piece in the WSJ today about what school is really "Quarterback U". It's Purdue confused.gif
Major college programs whose former quarterbacks have made the most NFL starts since 1970:
Purdue 724 (Drew Bress 163)
Washington 623 (Warren Moon 203)
Miami 573 (Vinny Testaverde 214)
USC 547 (and growing, three USC quarterbacks started on Sunday)
Notre Dame 543 (Joe Montana 164)
Stanford 540 (Elway 231)
Michigan 519 (Tom Brady 169)
UCLA 453 (Aikman 165)
Oregon 432 (Fouts 171)
Maryland 399 (Boomer 173)
Despite the Pac-10's dominance of the list, a University of Arizona alum had never started an NFL game at quarterback until Nick Foles.

Not news - they call Purdue the "cradle of quarterbacks".

It's no surprise there are few SEC and B12 QBs.... the "fun and gun" and "option heavy" offenses don't lend well to NFL style field management and pocket passing, where as the B10 Power I / pro-set and P10 West Coast offenses do.
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post #448 of 861
11/19/12 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Don't count the Beavers out against the Ducks. The Beavers are only two field goals short of a perfect season so far.
Or a QB who could play something close to consistent.
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post #449 of 861
11/19/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

Not news - they call Purdue the "cradle of quarterbacks".
It's no surprise there are few SEC and B12 QBs.... the "fun and gun" and "option heavy" offenses don't lend well to NFL style field management and pocket passing, where as the B10 Power I / pro-set and P10 West Coast offenses do.

I think that's changing, though. A lot of good SEC and especially Big 12 qbs these days. Back in the 80s, teams from Texas/OK and the deep south were option/run heavy offenses but that is less true today than ever.
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post #450 of 861
11/19/12 at 8:52am
Agree - to an extent. Although the SEC really hasn't produced much recently beyond Eli and Peyton... neither of which was a top tier QB in the SEC (Eli went to Ole Miss for sentimental reasons, Peyton failed to beat UF, win an SEC or National Championship... Tee Martin did all 3).

The Big 12 is making strides.

Edit - I forgot Stafford and Cutler... but even as a UGA alum, I think Stafford's a stretch to call NFL Top Talent, and as a Bears fan, Cutler is just frustrating sometimes.
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