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post #256 of 861
Mack is going to be there for awhile since he signed an extension this year. To buy him out would cost a shit ton of money even for Texas' standards. It's through 2020 with a raise of $100k every year with him making $5.2M this year.
post #257 of 861
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

Mack is going to be there for awhile since he signed an extension this year. To buy him out would cost a shit ton of money even for Texas' standards. It's through 2020 with a raise of $100k every year with him making $5.2M this year.

Texas football fans have my sympathies.
post #258 of 861
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Originally Posted by thinman View Post

Texas football fans have my sympathies.

I think Phil Fullmer is the only coach in the past 20 years to be fired from a team where he won a National Championship... and you can see how great that program got when they fired him.

Mack Brown has as many BCS titles as Okla. The team is a contender every year... gets a top 10 recruiting class, etc. It took a LOT for Ohio State to finally fire John Cooper for never beating Michigan... and if he had ever won a National Title, I'm not sure it could have been done, as frustrating as his 2-10-1 record against that school up north was.
post #259 of 861
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

I think Phil Fullmer is the only coach in the past 20 years to be fired from a team where he won a National Championship... and you can see how great that program got when they fired him.
Mack Brown has as many BCS titles as Okla. The team is a contender every year... gets a top 10 recruiting class, etc. It took a LOT for Ohio State to finally fire John Cooper for never beating Michigan... and if he had ever won a National Title, I'm not sure it could have been done, as frustrating as his 2-10-1 record against that school up north was.

What about Bobby Bowden and Larry Coker?

But yeah, I don't see Texas firing Mack Brown for at least 2 more seasons due to his large contract but I doubt he'll get any more extensions either unless he magically whens another national championship within the next 4 years. Interestingly enough, the downfall started when the LHN was launched. It's not just the football program but almost the whole athletic program that's been in a funk the past 2 years even though the money has never been better.
post #260 of 861
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

What about Bobby Bowden and Larry Coker?
But yeah, I don't see Texas firing Mack Brown for at least 2 more seasons due to his large contract but I doubt he'll get any more extensions either unless he magically whens another national championship within the next 4 years. Interestingly enough, the downfall started when the LHN was launched. It's not just the football program but almost the whole athletic program that's been in a funk the past 2 years even though the money has never been better.

Technically you're right, I suppose...

Coker won with Davis's players, and then failed to repeat the next year with a stacked team against a Buckeye squad that was -1400 in vegas on the money line (I was at that game, and a good friend made that bet for a shit-ton of money).

Bowden was pressured into retiring... I"m not sure they would have given him the Paterno card for perpetual grace, but... I don't think they would have gone public with an involuntary sacking if he said he wasn't ready. Maybe I'm wrong.
post #261 of 861

Gene Chizik is about to be another coach who was fired after winning a national championship.  And he will be fired only two years after his championship.  Without Cam Newton, Chizik is a measly 17-15 and a whopping 1-5 this season.  Now what's so bad about that is he has three consecutive top ten recruiting classes and is only two years removed from a national championship.  Can't have that when your cross state rival, my Crimson Tide, is gunning for two national championships in a row and three out of the last four.

post #262 of 861
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

Technically you're right, I suppose...
Coker won with Davis's players, and then failed to repeat the next year with a stacked team against a Buckeye squad that was -1400 in vegas on the money line (I was at that game, and a good friend made that bet for a shit-ton of money).
Bowden was pressured into retiring... I"m not sure they would have given him the Paterno card for perpetual grace, but... I don't think they would have gone public with an involuntary sacking if he said he wasn't ready. Maybe I'm wrong.

That Miami team was one of the most stacked teams ever. They had I think 10 first round draft picks in the starting lineup and a few backups that eventually became 1st round draft picks.

I'll give you Bowden being forced into retirement and I guess same goes with Lloyd Carr. There's also Jim Tressel but that was rules violation more than losing so I don't really count him. I see Chizik joining this list in a couple of years if he has another bad year next year. Other than that though you're right, almost every other coach that won a NC has left on their own terms (somewhat).
post #263 of 861
Bobby Bowden had already retired, in the sense of not working anymore. He just still wanted to be paid. Seriously, name another Top 25 team with a football coach who worked 9-4pm during the season (much less actually admitted it). He was a great coach, but I doubt he could name anyone who played for him after 2003 aside from Christian Ponder and Chris Rix.
post #264 of 861
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

That Miami team was one of the most stacked teams ever. They had I think 10 first round draft picks in the starting lineup and a few backups that eventually became 1st round draft picks.
I'll give you Bowden being forced into retirement and I guess same goes with Lloyd Carr. There's also Jim Tressel but that was rules violation more than losing so I don't really count him. I see Chizik joining this list in a couple of years if he has another bad year next year. Other than that though you're right, almost every other coach that won a NC has left on their own terms (somewhat).

Actually - I ignored Tressel for the same reason (and he's dead to me). Carr is 50/50 - and but his program had the same fate as UT in the immediate aftermath.

I wrote a paper in B-school about how bad a job it is to follow a legend (primarily based on the career of Earl Bruce).
post #265 of 861
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Originally Posted by adsmith4 View Post

Gene Chizik is about to be another coach who was fired after winning a national championship.  And he will be fired only two years after his championship.  Without Cam Newton, Chizik is a measly 17-15 and a whopping 1-5 this season.  Now what's so bad about that is he has three consecutive top ten recruiting classes and is only two years removed from a national championship.  Can't have that when your cross state rival, my Crimson Tide, is gunning for two national championships in a row and three out of the last four.

His band of misfits is an 8 point underdog to fucking VANDY this weekend. LOL. Even with cam, they barely squeaked by a couple of games that season until cam did his thing. He's a shit coach and I hope stays with them another 5 years!

Mack lucked out with VY and colt and without someone of that caliber who can take the team on his back, mack's gonna have a multiple loss squad from here out. He got exposed after colt left and the band-aid is already starting to peel off.
post #266 of 861
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His band of misfits is an 8 point underdog to fucking VANDY this weekend. LOL. Even with cam, they barely squeaked by a couple of games that season until cam did his thing. He's a shit coach and I hope stays with them another 5 years!
Mack lucked out with VY and colt and without someone of that caliber who can take the team on his back, mack's gonna have a multiple loss squad from here out. He got exposed after colt left and the band-aid is already starting to peel off.

Being an Alabama fan, I couldn't think of anything better than CheeseDip staying another 5 years.  Eventually these highly touted kids out of high school will realize he can't coach them up and will come to Bama.  Also, I was sitting in the endzone at the national championship game when we knocked Colt out of the game.  Chizik and Brown are both gimmick coaches, and without those gimmicky players they are shit.  Ask Colt and Vince how well prepared they were for the NFL.  $cam was a fluke.

post #267 of 861
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Originally Posted by adsmith4 View Post

Being an Alabama fan, I couldn't think of anything better than CheeseDip staying another 5 years.  Eventually these highly touted kids out of high school will realize he can't coach them up and will come to Bama.  Also, I was sitting in the endzone at the national championship game when we knocked Colt out of the game.  Chizik and Brown are both gimmick coaches, and without those gimmicky players they are shit.  Ask Colt and Vince how well prepared they were for the NFL.  $cam was a fluke.

Are there that many more spots for highly rated kids to go to Alabama? It seems like they're already filling all of their spots with top-tier recruits.
post #268 of 861
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Originally Posted by adsmith4 View Post

Being an Alabama fan, I couldn't think of anything better than CheeseDip staying another 5 years.  Eventually these highly touted kids out of high school will realize he can't coach them up and will come to Bama.  Also, I was sitting in the endzone at the national championship game when we knocked Colt out of the game.  Chizik and Brown are both gimmick coaches, and without those gimmicky players they are shit.  Ask Colt and Vince how well prepared they were for the NFL.  $cam was a fluke.

WTF are you on about here? What is a gimmicky player? How what does nick saban do schematically that makes him a great football coach? He appears to be a very good recruiter, but you're implying that a coach that can only win with outlier type athletes is less than adequate . . .
post #269 of 861
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Originally Posted by tullytra View Post

Are there that many more spots for highly rated kids to go to Alabama? It seems like they're already filling all of their spots with top-tier recruits.

There are. He's just now at the point where all the players are his and those from the previous era have moved on. It's getting to the point that he can just hand pick them now. And with the way he's putting them in the NFL, and they're doing we'll there, kids will definitely be willing to go even if they need to ride the bench a little at first.
post #270 of 861
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Originally Posted by RedLantern View Post

WTF are you on about here? What is a gimmicky player? How what does nick saban do schematically that makes him a great football coach? He appears to be a very good recruiter, but you're implying that a coach that can only win with outlier type athletes is less than adequate . . .

He's a great coach because you can plug and play pretty much anyone on the field and odds are damn good they'll still win the game. His players respect him and his program, generally behave themselves off the field (unlike the Chiz who has players publicly biatching about leadership and a wife who's spouting off about satan on Facebook), and show up to do their jobs regardless of personal opinion. They are proven to be prepared for life after the NCAA and don't collapse immediately like just about any player who's come out of Mack's program.

He doesn't rely on one player to carry the game and those coaches who do are less than adequate because the entire idea of coaching is that you create and sustain a team, not a supporting cast for one player who happens to play at an extremely high level and has a team who falls apart should something happen to them (Cam, Manning's Colts, etc). I wouldn't call Cam or Colt "gimmicky" (a term much better suited for a Tebow type) but their coaches had lucklaster programs both before and after them (well, Vince and Colt for Mack). Hell, Mack Brown kept vince on the bench in favor of Chance Effing Mock after Vince had already proven his skill on the field. He's like Jerry Jones actually being a coach rather than pulling his coach's strings.

When you have as much talent and the world class resources Chizik and Mack Brown have, you should be a 1-2 loss team at most. Consistently. If you lose more than that, you aren't a good coach and you lose to teams like Ole Miss and Iowa.
Edited by grundletaint - 10/16/12 at 3:46pm
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