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What's the poop on service dogs? Not seeing-eye dogs, but the little yappers that that outwardly healthy appearing people (mostly women) claim they need to help them? This woman and her little dog (pug) was making a complete nuisance of herself in the B&N magazine racks w/ one of those extendo leashes. A manager came over and told her dogs were only allowed on the 1st floor and she indignantly replied that it was a service dog. He stared her down for a second and she added "I'm deaf".

We have a couple in our (non-dog) building. These women get in agreeing to abide by the rules and then a couple of months later get the pooch, accompanied w/ a note from their shrink. When the building objects they sue and at some point the legal bills cause the building to cave. its a pain in the a$$ as they tie up the freight elevators (which they make them use) w/ the constant walking
post #9887 of 11466
I'm not gonna lie most times when I see a guy walking down the street who is blind with a stick out I kinda think they just want people to stay out of their way.
post #9888 of 11466
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I'm not gonna lie most times when I see a guy walking down the street who is blind with a stick out I kinda think they just want people to stay out of their way.

I'm really surprised by the number of blind people in NYC. I mean actual blind people, not cab drivers. I have an odd fear of being poked in the ankle with one of their sticks and having it somehow cause a scene. I usually give them a giant birth to walk around me.
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Originally Posted by romafan View Post

What's the poop on service dogs? Not seeing-eye dogs, but the little yappers that that outwardly healthy appearing people (mostly women) claim they need to help them? This woman and her little dog (pug) was making a complete nuisance of herself in the B&N magazine racks w/ one of those extendo leashes. A manager came over and told her dogs were only allowed on the 1st floor and she indignantly replied that it was a service dog. He stared her down for a second and she added "I'm deaf".

We have a couple in our (non-dog) building. These women get in agreeing to abide by the rules and then a couple of months later get the pooch, accompanied w/ a note from their shrink. When the building objects they sue and at some point the legal bills cause the building to cave. its a pain in the a$$ as they tie up the freight elevators (which they make them use) w/ the constant walking

Service dogs/animals are protected under the ADA. "Emotional support animals" are not "Service Animals" and may be excluded by business owners. An animal only qualifies as a Service Animal if it is required by its owner because of a disability and if it performs a specific task for that owner. Business owners are not allowed to ask for documentation. They are, however, allowed to ask if the owner has a disability and what specific task the service animal performs to assist the owner with that disability. Being cute and cuddly is not a specific task.

As emotional support animals are not protected under the ADA, a note from a psychiatrist is probably worthless. Of course, some states may have laws protecting them.
post #9890 of 11466
My recollection is that, with or without a note, dogs can't be evicted in NYC once the owner can prove they have been in the building for 30 days (or maybe 60).
post #9891 of 11466
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I'm really surprised by the number of blind people in NYC. I mean actual blind people, not cab drivers.

I think it's because New York is probably one of the few cities in the US where a blind person could have some semblance of independence and still get around. Most places require a car to get around, which means you will either be homebound or rely on someone driving you.
post #9892 of 11466
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I'm really surprised by the number of blind people in NYC. I mean actual blind people, not cab drivers. I have an odd fear of being poked in the ankle with one of their sticks and having it somehow cause a scene. I usually give them a giant birth to walk around me.

It is somewhat counterintuitive, but NYC is kind of the perfect place to live if you're blind and living alone, or at least want to be independent. I mean you don't have to drive, there's mas transit and such.
post #9893 of 11466
Dammit, you got to it first.
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Service dogs/animals are protected under the ADA. "Emotional support animals" are not "Service Animals" and may be excluded by business owners. An animal only qualifies as a Service Animal if it is required by its owner because of a disability and if it performs a specific task for that owner. Business owners are not allowed to ask for documentation.

I just stick one of these on and go wherever I please.

in all seriousness, people who take their dogs absolutely everywhere and lie about being a service dog are pricks.
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My recollection is that, with or without a note, dogs can't be evicted in NYC once the owner can prove they have been in the building for 30 days (or maybe 60).
I don't know what the rules are, but we had a terrible time apartment hunting. 100+ rejections over dogs. It's why we had to settle with Brooklyn when we really wanted to be next to Central Park. It was awful, though I do like my new neighborhood.

It seems like dog rules for 95% of apartment out there are limited to the following:

1) No dogs allowed

or, much more commonly

2) All dogs ok. Just no German Shepherds, no Rottweilers, no Pitbulls, and no dogs that looks like any basic combination of a German Shepherd, Rottweiler, or Pitbull.
post #9895 of 11466
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

I'm really surprised by the number of blind people in NYC. I mean actual blind people, not cab drivers. I have an odd fear of being poked in the ankle with one of their sticks and having it somehow cause a scene. I usually give them a giant birth to walk around me.

It is somewhat counterintuitive, but NYC is kind of the perfect place to live if you're blind and living alone, or at least want to be independent. I mean you don't have to drive, there's mas transit and such.

oh I know, it makes perfect sense.
post #9896 of 11466
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in all seriousness, people who take their dogs absolutely everywhere and lie about being a service dog are pricks.

The second question is often a silver bullet since it hardly ever get asked and they seldom have a good answer. You would think people doing this would have really thought it through but that's often not the case. By contrast, people who have legitimate service animals are highly trained both in their use and in the laws surrounding them. They know the right answers and don't get upset when you ask. The poseurs will typically go into a fit of outrage.
post #9897 of 11466
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The second question is often a silver bullet since it hardly ever get asked and they seldom have a good answer. You would think people doing this would have really thought it through but that's often not the case. By contrast, people who have legitimate service animals are highly trained both in their use and in the laws surrounding them. They know the right answers and don't get upset when you ask. The poseurs will typically go into a fit of outrage.

this woman had the right answer (I'm deaf) but i laughed b/c she obviously heard the question posed by the manager. i thought maybe she read lips so i looked down at her dog (so she couldn't see mine) and said to it 'well you must have good hearing but how is your english?" the dog barked at me and the woman said that he alerts her when someone has 'attitude'
post #9898 of 11466
I rarely bring my dog into stores, but the few times I have the employees (note: usually the store owner) have been not only totally cool with it, but they've busted out treats from behind the counter.

It helps that my dog, while big, is well behaved and overall pretty mellow.

Not that I'd bring her to a fine china store, her tail has knocked over wine glasses from our coffee table.
post #9899 of 11466
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

I rarely bring my dog into stores, but the few times I have the employees (note: usually the store owner) have been not only totally cool with it, but they've busted out treats from behind the counter.

It helps that my dog, while big, is well behaved and overall pretty mellow.

Not that I'd bring her to a fine china store, her tail has knocked over wine glasses from our coffee table.

i love dogs (all animals, really) but i don't think you should move into a non-dog building and then pull the 'my doctor says i need emotional support' routine (and cost the building $$$ in the process)
post #9900 of 11466
yeah I agree, and I'm a stickler for rules.




I also think that landlords who don't allow dogs are dicks.
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