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Nyc :hearts:
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http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/brooklyn-man-takes-big-ol-dump-outside-supermarket-1683718372

There should really be no surprise to what that links to.
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I've been in Cambodia for the last two weeks and I can say what I see many people living like here New Yorkers have absolutely nothing to complain about. It is actually offensive that any middle class New Yorker does complain about their living situation.

That you are using Cambodia as a comparator kind of says it all.

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To think you need a $30 million apartment to feel comfortable explains so much about you.

Yes. It says I've got to have somewhere suitable for my AE seconds collection.

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If a middle class person is willing to pay a sum of money for something that has rats then it is worth it for them, that's how a market works. Nobody is forcing a middle class person to live in New York City, you don't like it leave. It is that easy.

Yes, of course. But that doesn't mean that rats are a desirable feature. Once again, you can make the same argument for, say, Israelis threatened by rocket attacks and suicide bombers. Obviously, they consider the benefits of living there outweigh the costs. But that doesn't mean those of us not likely to be randomly blown up are not shocked and bemused that they put up with it.

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A beer costs a lot more in a jazz club than in a dive bar. M&Ms cost more in a movie theater than at the bodega. Do you get my point? Prices are not only about the intrinsic value of the product/apartment but also about the utility one derives from the pleasure or convenience associated with the environment.

Yes, things do cost more in a jazz club or a movie theater, but not for the reason you suggest. They cost more because the jazz club and the movie theater are monopolists. If you want M&Ms in movie theater (assuming you don't smuggle them in -- a breach of your contract with the theater) you can only buy them from one source. So this isn't really analogous to the housing market. It would be a better analogy for NYC if it had high taxes that you had to pay to live there . . . Oh, wait . . .

Look, I get that NYC has many attractions and I get that people who live in New York find that the positives outweigh the negatives. But the fact remains that housing is not numbered among those attractions. For a variety of historical and regulatory reasons, NYC, has probably the worst, and certainly the most expensive, housing stock in the country. I mean, people in Detroit feel sorry for you guys.

It is also true that New Yorkers have become habituated to this much like people living in terrorism-prone areas become habituated to the risk of terrorism. It's just another example of the hedonic treadmill in action. But people not living under these conditions are not habituated to it. And when they hear New Yorkers talking about paying 4K a month to live in 4th floor walk-up 500 sq. ft. apartment with sporadic heating, well, let's just say that's not normal anywhere else.
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http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/brooklyn-man-takes-big-ol-dump-outside-supermarket-1683718372

There should really be no surprise to what that links to.

Isn't this the kind of thing that Lefty moved back to NY to get away from?
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/brooklyn-man-takes-big-ol-dump-outside-supermarket-1683718372

There should really be no surprise to what that links to.

No words.
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This is exactly the opposite of me (probably due to the fact I'm a misanthrope.) I greatly enjoy spending time at my home and it's really my favorite place to be. Then again I'm also one of those people that view the hotel room as part of my vacation vs. those that view it only as a place to sleep.

I agree with much of this.
I love being/coming home. Love spending time in my place and it is also my favorite place to be. I also love the neighborhood that I live in.

On vacation, while I do like a nice/safe hotel and don't only use it to sleep, it isn't a "substantial" part of my experience. I am out in the AM and back possibly in the early evening before I head out for the night.
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This is the sort of rationalization that people in terrorist-prone areas make about the threat of suicide bombers.
I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/brooklyn-man-takes-big-ol-dump-outside-supermarket-1683718372

There should really be no surprise to what that links to.

It's a little bit heroic how he just sort of went for it.
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/brooklyn-man-takes-big-ol-dump-outside-supermarket-1683718372

There should really be no surprise to what that links to.

If you gotta go, you gotta go!
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It's a little bit heroic how he just sort of went for it.

he went ALL out by avoiding a few things that could have made it easier on others ... he didn't bother to sneak between two cars (European style) nor did he aim away from the sidewalk. He aimed IN.
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he went ALL out by avoiding a few things that could have made it easier on others ... he didn't bother to sneak between two cars (European style) nor did he aim away from the sidewalk. He aimed IN.

Yeah, it was the placement and open view of things that were astounding. Also, not grabbing something...anything...to wipe after that torrential evacuation needs to be mentioned.
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Hope he was going home FROM work and not TO work.
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I'd be more troubled if he was employed than if he wasn't. He's the type of guy that needs to slip through the cracks.
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Yes, things do cost more in a jazz club or a movie theater, but not for the reason you suggest. They cost more because the jazz club and the movie theater are monopolists.

 

Once again, you do not get the point.  We are (I am) willing to pay more for what may seem as the same intrinsic product if it provides me with a better experience.  I am willing to pay more for a drink when I also get live jazz around it.  I am willing to pay more for an ice cream in the theater because of the convenience factor.   People are willing to pay for the experience around the product.  

 

If you cannot comprehend that what we are paying for is not simply the housing but the convenience and experience provided by the location, you're missing the point entirely and you'll continue to err on your condescending, slightly idiotic, rant.    You need to understand that there is no Stockholm syndrome at play here.  

 

Once again, we were not born in an overpriced NYC apartment, we all had previous experiences with housing in other parts of the country or world and yet we choose to pay what we pay to live here.   I've lived in 7 cities in 6 countries before deciding this will be home for me.    

 

The people who do feel sorry for the value we get for our housing are typically the people we feel sorry for, for having to live where they live.  The reality is that we make conscious and reasoned choices, and that these choices don't square with what you value and think is important to you - so you don't understand it, and you resort to the silliness of the Iraq/terrorism comparisons.  That's not a good look.

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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Once again, you do not get the point.  We are (I am) willing to pay more for what may seem as the same intrinsic product if it provides me with a better experience.  I am willing to pay more for a drink when I also get live jazz around it.  I am willing to pay more for an ice cream in the theater because of the convenience factor.   People are willing to pay for the experience around the product.  

If you cannot comprehend that what we are paying for is not simply the housing but the convenience and experience provided by the location, you're missing the point entirely and you'll continue to err on your condescending, slightly idiotic, rant.    You need to understand that there is no Stockholm syndrome at play here.  

Once again, we were not born in an overpriced NYC apartment, we all had previous experiences with housing in other parts of the country or world and yet we choose to pay what we pay to live here.
  I've lived in 7 cities in 6 countries before deciding this will be home for me.    

The people who do feel sorry for the value we get for our housing are typically the people we feel sorry for, for having to live where they live.  The reality is that we make conscious and reasoned choices, and that these choices don't square with what you value and think is important to you - so you don't understand it, and you resort to the silliness of the Iraq/terrorism comparisons.  That's not a good look.
WDYMWWM
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That poop... Seems like something Eric Cartman, would do. 

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