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post #781 of 6089
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

last Wednesday, basically two days after the hurricane, I was walking to work and got a call from upstate that my wife's grandfather was gravely ill and that we needed to do whatever possible to get back up. A family member had his car packed in case we needed a ride. No busses, no trains, and obviously no planes so we (or she) decided to rent a car. AMEX found nothing, but we were able to find one after walking into an Avis (one of many car rental places we walked to, nothing was avilable). They had one car, a Chevy Malibu, and then rented it to us for 24 hours for $335. Three hundred and thirty five dollars.
We drove back last night and again rented a car, this time Avis gave us a Ford Edge SUV loaded with options. And that cost us $55.

And if the first place was charging $55 the Malibu might have been rented to someone who didn't judge $335 to be worthwhile. You got your car because of "gouging".
post #782 of 6089
knowing the area and the wealthy people in the area, I have a hard time believing that enough people scoffed at $335 to make a difference. Hell, the average household wealth is many multiples more than mine, and I didn't even scoff, and I did have alternatives.
post #783 of 6089
I totally understand the reasoning for canceling sunday's NYC Marathon, but friday there was a NBA game played at Madison Square Garden, saturday there was another NBA game played in Brooklyn (about 5miles away from NYC's hardest hit area), and sunday afternoon there was a NFL game played at Met Life Stadium.

NY sucks because of their stupid Sports Broadcasters... Stephen A Smith, Michael Kay are the worst offenders.... they are jumping on the "its wrong to run the marathon" bandwagon but then start cherry picking why its good to have 20,000+ fans show up to MSG, then another 20,000 fans show up the barclays center, then 60,000+ fans show up to met life center on days before and after the marathon.
post #784 of 6089
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

I totally understand the reasoning for canceling sunday's NYC Marathon, but friday there was a NBA game played at Madison Square Garden, saturday there was another NBA game played in Brooklyn (about 5miles away from NYC's hardest hit area), and sunday afternoon there was a NFL game played at Met Life Stadium.
NY sucks because of their stupid Sports Broadcasters... Stephen A Smith, Michael Kay are the worst offenders.... they are jumping on the "its wrong to run the marathon" bandwagon but then start cherry picking why its good to have 20,000+ fans show up to MSG, then another 20,000 fans show up the barclays center, then 60,000+ fans show up to met life center on days before and after the marathon.

I'm no Stephen Smith or Michael Kay fan but there is a pretty big difference between having people travel to Madison Square Garden or Barclays center and having thousands of people running in areas where people are rummaging for clothes and food and have no power. There was nothing that MSG could do about the storm and by having a game they were not effecting any aspects of the recovery. The marathon was going to deploy thousands of people and a ot of equipment to areas where the clean-up/recovery has barely begun and they were going to be using resources (police, food, generators) that could have been used by the victims. As I said elsewhere, its the NYRR's right to do whatever they want with their resources but they had to be blind to think that there would not be a huge perception problem with running this thing.
post #785 of 6089
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Yeah, you don't really need to divert resources to hold a basketball game. The cop deployment alone for the marathon is massive.
post #786 of 6089
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I'm no Stephen Smith or Michael Kay fan but there is a pretty big difference between having people travel to Madison Square Garden or Barclays center and having thousands of people running in areas where people are rummaging for clothes and food and have no power. There was nothing that MSG could do about the storm and by having a game they were not effecting any aspects of the recovery. The marathon was going to deploy thousands of people and a ot of equipment to areas where the clean-up/recovery has barely begun and they were going to be using resources (police, food, generators) that could have been used by the victims. As I said elsewhere, its the NYRR's right to do whatever they want with their resources but they had to be blind to think that there would not be a huge perception problem with running this thing.

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Yeah, you don't really need to divert resources to hold a basketball game. The cop deployment alone for the marathon is massive.

having been part of NYRR races for the past 3 of years, the actual police needed to run races and even the NYC marathon not as much as people make it out to be. If anything there is a huge need for volunteers that are actually fully allotted beforehand. its actually so streamlined now that its basically a 7 hour event that opens and closes up within that period of time.

if anything most of the streets that the course was running through was already near empty due to road blocks that were already existing.

the way the NYRR moves is so fast and efficient they basically set up the whole race in a coordinated effort in less than an hour - clean up is about 1.5 hours.

there are a lot of police utilized for NBA/NFL stadiums that are there for over 5 hours as well. met life stadium is a huge stadium that people drive to.

it was also pointed out that no extra resources were actually going to be siphoned off from existing places. but the public reacted and believed so - so things like "police/electricity being diverted" was believed to be fact.

it was basically a perception issue because the marathon is held outside. but don't forget the massive trash/people congestion/energy suckage creations that NBA and more so NFL stadiums generate as well.
post #787 of 6089
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I've never run the marathon but I worked for the city once and had to work it with the mayors office a couple of times and my observation was the resources required were staggering.
post #788 of 6089
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I've never run the marathon but I worked for the city once and had to work it with the mayors office a couple of times and my observation was the resources required were staggering.

it is for other cities' that run their marathons though their respective government... but the NYRR is just a huge non profit corporation (hell they even donated a million themselves to the relief) a private entity that has these races totally streamlined.

they can typically set up a central park race in 30min and have the whole thing cleaned up in less than an hour. volunteers are grouped and organized well beforehand. its kind of amazing how efficient the NYRR works - they are almost military in fashion.
post #789 of 6089
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

having been part of NYRR races for the past 3 of years, the actual police needed to run races and even the NYC marathon not as much as people make it out to be. If anything there is a huge need for volunteers that are actually fully allotted beforehand. its actually so streamlined now that its basically a 7 hour event that opens and closes up within that period of time.
if anything most of the streets that the course was running through was already near empty due to road blocks that were already existing.
the way the NYRR moves is so fast and efficient they basically set up the whole race in a coordinated effort in less than an hour - clean up is about 1.5 hours.
there are a lot of police utilized for NBA/NFL stadiums that are there for over 5 hours as well. met life stadium is a huge stadium that people drive to.
it was also pointed out that no extra resources were actually going to be siphoned off from existing places. but the public reacted and believed so - so things like "police/electricity being diverted" was believed to be fact.
it was basically a perception issue because the marathon is held outside. but don't forget the massive trash/people congestion/energy suckage creations that NBA and more so NFL stadiums generate as well.

were you the guy advising Bloomberg?

You don't see how having police, generators, food, runners, media and their equipment starting the race in Staten Island would be a bit of a problem? What about the standby medical personnel that are used in the marathon, or the thousands of mylar banklets handed out at the end, you really don't see how people would be royally pissed that they were being used for the runners while families were still sitting in the dark, freezing and hungry? right in their backyard?
post #790 of 6089
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

were you the guy advising Bloomberg?
You don't see how having police, generators, food, runners, media and their equipment starting the race in Staten Island would be a bit of a problem? What about the standby medical personnel that are used in the marathon, or the thousands of mylar banklets handed out at the end, you really don't see how people would be royally pissed that they were being used for the runners while families were still sitting in the dark, freezing and hungry? right in their backyard?

I totally understand those reasons and think its a good thing they cancelled the marathon. but why not just cancel all the other NBA, NFL games that were on the same weekend too? Barclays center is 5 miles away from breezy point which is still smoldering.... Madison Square Garden is 20 blocks away from people without electricity and heat, Met life stadium is in New Jersey which was hit even harder than new york.
post #791 of 6089
Thread Starter 
I meant NYC, not some other city.
post #792 of 6089
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

were you the guy advising Bloomberg?
You don't see how having police, generators, food, runners, media and their equipment starting the race in Staten Island would be a bit of a problem? What about the standby medical personnel that are used in the marathon, or the thousands of mylar banklets handed out at the end, you really don't see how people would be royally pissed that they were being used for the runners while families were still sitting in the dark, freezing and hungry? right in their backyard?

I didn't think it was that clear cut initially. There's definitely two sides to that coin - and I can understand those who say that holding those sport events and bringing life back to normal is the right thing to do, maybe find a way to get ING to donate a shitload of $$$ to the relief efforts or something to bring it all together. I do think that it clearly came down to an issue of perception and feelings far more than (as you seem to represent it) truly a resource issue. (but I may have missed something here, I must admit that I wasn't plugged into the news much last week)

In hindsight, I think it was the right thing to do to cancel, but I'm certainly not as convinced as you are that it was an obvious decision from the get go
post #793 of 6089
Have large sodas been kept at bay during the mayhem, or have they attacked stealthily in the night?
post #794 of 6089
My wife works at the ING offices at 1325 and she told me there were loads of people calling in expressing their disgust that the marathon was still on prior to cancellation.
post #795 of 6089
This has been making the rounds. New York Magazine's cover has a remarkable picture showing much of Manhattan in the dark:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2012/11/more-images-from-new-yorks-sandy-cover.html#

For the photo geeks, this was shot at ISO 25600 at 1/40 second. I'm not sure this shot would have been possible even a few years ago.

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