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post #646 of 7909
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Originally Posted by ehkay View Post

That Metro North and the LIRR have conductors rather than turnstiles at each end has got to be one of the biggest sinks of money possible.

Conductors are needed — unless they'll go by the honor system and assume that people will get of in the zone that they paid for... The further east you go in Long Island, the more you pay, it isn't a flat rate fee like the subway.
post #647 of 7909
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Given the way the platforms are set up at 99% of the stations, I don't see how that could ever work.

Hmm. Good point. If a lot of stations are like the Montauk one, I guess it would be a problem.
post #648 of 7909
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Originally Posted by ehkay View Post

That Metro North and the LIRR have conductors rather than turnstiles at each end has got to be one of the biggest sinks of money possible.

Conductors are needed — unless they'll go by the honor system and assume that people will get of in the zone that they paid for... The further east you go in Long Island, the more you pay, it isn't a flat rate fee like the subway.
No, you could use a system like the Washington Subway or the RER, but I think Manton is right.
post #649 of 7909
Thread Starter 
yeah, certainly it's possible to have turnstiles that know where you got on, DC and London and Paris do it.

But first, think of the capital investment, it would be huge. The MTA has no way to source that money. Second, most of the platforms outside the city have a zillion access points. Fordham and 125th would work because there are so few ways in or out but nearly all the ones in the suburbs would be impossible to "secure." Even if they could afford to build all those electronic turnstiles, it would still be ridiculously easy to bypass them unless they somehow walled off entire platforms for hundreds of yards, multiplied by dozens of stations.

Finally, imagine the lines it would create. Hundreds of thousands of people stream through GC every day and never stop until they get on their trains. If you bottlenecked the tracks at each end, that would be a massive headache.

Amtrak does not allow you to buy tickets on the train and there are no turnstiles but they do check your ticket before they let you on a train and it creates a pretty big backup. They have many fewer trains that GC/MN.

I just don't see how this would work.
post #650 of 7909
Yeah, that's a pretty awful idea.

A reason that NY does not suck: I rode the Metro-North Hudson Line for the first time last week, and it is a truly spectacular route with amazing views.
post #651 of 7909
It's a really nice ride.
post #652 of 7909
that's one of those things that I know I would love and want to do, but just never end up doing. It's been the same story for like 4 years now. My wife even had a project up there so she rode it frequently. facepalm.gif
post #653 of 7909
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The hudson valley is lovely and one of the best things about NY.
post #654 of 7909
I got off at Tarrytown so I only saw the lower part of the route, but still.

Also: how awesome is the name Spuyten Duyvil?
post #655 of 7909
laugh.gif I think the same thing every time. I repeat it a few times when we hit that station.

Did you go to Stone Barns while you were around Tarrytown ?
post #656 of 7909
what is the point of those random nitrogen tanks that occupy the occastional street corner?
post #657 of 7909
To keep Verizon cables dry.
post #658 of 7909
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

laugh.gif I think the same thing every time. I repeat it a few times when we hit that station.

Did you go to Stone Barns while you were around Tarrytown ?

No, but now I want to!
post #659 of 7909
i should have phrased the question as "is there a good reason for those random nitrogen tanks that occupy the occastional street corner?"
post #660 of 7909
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To keep Verizon cables dry.
is that really the answer??
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