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I could write a book I'd call it Tales of the Hill . Fires , wrecks, gunfights , naked women , wild animals , landslides , earthquakes.
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4/6
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there are lovely parts of Oakland but crossing that bridge every day would drive me to suicide.

That was always one of my key counterpoints when Bay Area friends would reflexively put down LA because of "traffic".
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getting around the South bay is in general no better than LA. 880 is also quite terrible. The bridge bottlenecks in the BA have no direct analogue in LA, unless its the 405, which is fcuked 24/7. Also the miserable El Toro Y.

But the BA has 280, which is the finest road in the world.
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my parents were just in LA and they constantly bitched and moaned about traffic and parking and how unsafe my brother drives. Sure he rear ended somebody with them in the car and racked up 3 parking tickets, but whatever.
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getting around the South bay is in general no better than LA. 880 is also quite terrible. The bridge bottlenecks in the BA have no direct analogue in LA, unless its the 405, which is fcuked 24/7. Also the miserable El Toro Y.

But the BA has 280, which is the finest road in the world.
I've always cited this as a key point. At least if I'm stuck in traffic on the 405, I have the option of getting off and taking surface streets. I probably won't get where I'm going any faster, but the illusion of being able to choose among alternatives sometimes relieves the otherwise head-exploding claustrophobia. If you have to drive from SF to the East Bay at rush hour, you don't have the option of bypassing the bridge to take surface streets.
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4/6
It bisects an area that for a period in the 70s had the highest per capita murder rate in the US
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I've always cited this as a key point. At least if I'm stuck in traffic on the 405, I have the option of getting off and taking surface streets. I probably won't get where I'm going any faster, but the illusion of being able to choose among alternatives sometimes relieves the otherwise head-exploding claustrophobia. If you have to drive from SF to the East Bay at rush hour, you don't have the option of bypassing the bridge to take surface streets.
amphibious cars FTW!
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I've always cited this as a key point. At least if I'm stuck in traffic on the 405, I have the option of getting off and taking surface streets. I probably won't get where I'm going any faster, but the illusion of being able to choose among alternatives sometimes relieves the otherwise head-exploding claustrophobia. If you have to drive from SF to the East Bay at rush hour, you don't have the option of bypassing the bridge to take surface streets.

Having lived in both places the biggest difference for me is that it's easier to live a traffic-free life in the bay area (particularly if you live in SF proper). Traffic is largely a function of the commute if you have one, or of course if you drive out of the bay area on a friday before a 3-day weekend. It's more or less a known quantity.

When I lived in LA (and from what I see in my frequent visits) even people who don't commute are often stymied by traffic. You often have to pick your side of the 405 and commit to stay there.
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Having lived in both places the biggest difference for me is that it's easier to live a traffic-free life in the bay area (particularly if you live in SF proper). Traffic is largely a function of the commute if you have one, or of course if you drive out of the bay area on a friday before a 3-day weekend. It's more or less a known quantity.

When I lived in LA (and from what I see in my frequent visits) even people who don't commute are often stymied by traffic. You often have to pick your side of the 405 and commit to stay there.

Everyone's MMV, of course. But outside of commuting (and for the last ten years I have always arranged my life to have home and work within 20 minutes of each other), LA people like to bitch about traffic or use it as an excuse for being late more than they're actually stymied by it. I live in Venice, which is by the beach. Outside of rush hour, I can be in mid-town (Beverly Hills, Hollywood) or the South Bay in 20-30 minutes, the east side or the Valley in 30-45. I don't find visiting friends or going out on the other side of town particularly more difficult than when I lived in the Bay Area. (Admittedly, depending on where you're going the public transportation options are generally better in the Bay Area.) If you're including Orange County within your definition of LA the calculus changes, but in my mind living in LA proper and having friends in OC is like living in SF or the East Bay and having friends in San Jose.

Random data point: Last Monday night I went to the Kings' home opener against the Islanders, on a night when the Dodgers/Braves playoff game was at Dodger Stadium. (Staples and Dodger Stadium are both downtown.) I was able to get from my place to downtown on the 10 freeway, with rush hour, hockey, and baseball traffic, in about 45 minutes. (It was an annoying crawl, but it moved steadily.)
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Kings

their backup goalie was a classmate of mine. he's a nice kid, and really smart.
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I agree with all that LD. I also think the 10 commute from west to east is generally pretty good. When I'm in LA I often stay in brentwood with friends and commute to my LA office downtown and it's really not that bad.

LA traffic drives me crazy because it's not just commute based since as far as I can tell no one in LA has a normal job.

So much of it is lifestyle dependent. We go to Marin frequently to mountain bike, hike or visit friends and it generally takes 20-40 minutes depending on how deep we are going and whether we are hitting the hiking rush hour. We also go the east bay for Cal games or to visit friends and generally avoid traffic and can get there in 25 minutes. Otherwise, our social life is rooted in SF and we can either walk, muni, or drive/taxi everywhere we want to go which is a great solution for us.

If we lived in LA, I think we would end up having to do a lot more weekend commuting to do things which would inevitably bring traffic frustration.
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their backup goalie was a classmate of mine. he's a nice kid, and really smart.
Too bad for the Kings he wasn't starting that game.
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I don't recall any place in the SC mountains being that dangerous. felton and big basin are notorious for bikers, meth, etc but 17 doesn't go through there.

I do recall one year, I think it was 1987, when there were like five murders in Beach Flat, plus the other typical stuff that happens in town, and suddenly SC was OMG the Murder Capital of the Nation!! And we all flipped out.
Edited by Manton - 10/15/13 at 11:19am
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