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So, I recently heard from several DC friends that the Metro is a total mess (I sort of knew that) and even that it closes every night at 7 pm (I did not know that). Also, traffic is at Armageddon levels and commute times have double or tripled.

In the interest of fairness and intellectual honesty, let me say how much I appreciate the MTA in these troubled times and how glad I am to live here rather than there.

 

As of June 3 Metro closes at midnight every day of the week, supposedly for the next year

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Uber has been making a killing in DC since the midnight shutdowns began
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Metrorail made a huge mistake at the beginning when it failed to construct three tracks. Whenever a track is being serviced, single-tracking slows the system to a crawl. Now the Metrorail is attempting to fit several years of deferred maintenance into several months. Many lines are a mess, and commute times for everyone (I ride the bus into work) have gotten worse for everyone.
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Metrorail made a huge mistake at the beginning when it failed to construct three tracks. Whenever a track is being serviced, single-tracking slows the system to a crawl. Now the Metrorail is attempting to fit several years of deferred maintenance into several months. Many lines are a mess, and commute times for everyone (I ride the bus into work) have gotten worse for everyone.

The two tracks issue is an excuse floated by Metro to hide their incompetence and evade responsibility for shifty service.

Other underground rail systems have two tracks setups and manage to run reasonably well. Paris comes to mind. I believe, but could be wrong, that Taipei's MRT is also a two track system, and it manages to maintain phenomenal service.

WMATA is just a social program for employing incompetents.
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Single-tracking BART results in terrible backups here in SF. It may not be the sole cause of the issues, but it's a large factor.
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Single-tracking BART results in terrible backups here in SF. It may not be the sole cause of the issues, but it's a large factor.

Agreed. A three track system would be the optimal arrangement for most underground rail.

However, the two track excuse is always used for WMATA when it's problems are much, much more than that.

In my opinion, Asian countries like Japan, China and Taiwan can offer a lot of lessons on how to effectively operate and maintain public transportation. Of course, our "American Exceptionalism" would never allow that here, so we get garbage infrastructure and garbage service.
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I'm on the red line so my commute should be okay (and has been okay) until sometime in August. Will be authorized to work from home for most of 2 weeks but may end up biking in. Despite all WMATA's issues, I still think the DC rail system is the best in the country. I've never once been comfortable/impressed with NY; i've yet to see another in the U.S. that's any good.

Now, that Taipei subway tho...
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Single-tracking BART results in terrible backups here in SF. It may not be the sole cause of the issues, but it's a large factor.

Agreed. A three track system would be the optimal arrangement for most underground rail.

However, the two track excuse is always used for WMATA when it's problems are much, much more than that.

In my opinion, Asian countries like Japan, China and Taiwan can offer a lot of lessons on how to effectively operate and maintain public transportation. Of course, our "American Exceptionalism" would never allow that here, so we get garbage infrastructure and garbage service.

The dirty little secret that public transport agencies don't want you to know is that the best public transportation in the world isn't public.

MTR, a publicly traded company, runs the Hong Kong Metro which is clean, efficient and convenient. HK metro cards can even be used as payment cards for all sorts of small transactions.(I think the Taipei metro has a similar deal.) The MTR is a private company that is in the business of operating metros.It also operates the Stockholm metro, which has noticeably improved since being taken over. It has been chosen to operate Crossrail in London.

NY and DC should really look into this.
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The dirty little secret that public transport agencies don't want you to know is that the best public transportation in the world isn't public.

MTR, a publicly traded company, runs the Hong Kong Metro which is clean, efficient and convenient. HK metro cards can even be used as payment cards for all sorts of small transactions.(I think the Taipei metro has a similar deal.) The MTR is a private company that is in the business of operating metros.It also operates the Stockholm metro, which has noticeably improved since being taken over. It has been chosen to operate Crossrail in London.

NY and DC should really look into this.

Very interesting, thanks for this. How does one account for the argument that privately owned infrastructure leads to low service quality because private companies only seek profit with no real incentive to adequately maintain facilities, though? I often hear this as the main argument against privately owned roll roads, for example.
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Arent the trains in Japan private but run on public tracks?
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The dirty little secret that public transport agencies don't want you to know is that the best public transportation in the world isn't public.

MTR, a publicly traded company, runs the Hong Kong Metro which is clean, efficient and convenient. HK metro cards can even be used as payment cards for all sorts of small transactions.(I think the Taipei metro has a similar deal.) The MTR is a private company that is in the business of operating metros.It also operates the Stockholm metro, which has noticeably improved since being taken over. It has been chosen to operate Crossrail in London.

NY and DC should really look into this.

Very interesting, thanks for this. How does one account for the argument that privately owned infrastructure leads to low service quality because private companies only seek profit with no real incentive to adequately maintain facilities, though? I often hear this as the main argument against privately owned roll roads, for example.

Well, I don't want to get all current eventsy here, but I guess the first question is, do public operators have all that much of an incentive to maintain and improve facilities? From country to country, some are better, some are worse. I understand the Taipei one is quite nice and it is government run. But publicly-run metros all too often end up in a nasty intersection between rent seeking and political imperative all overseen by a stultifying bureaucracy.

I think one of the things that makes the HK Metro work so well is that the MTR is very innovative. When a government bureaucracy runs a metro it's, at best, a way to move people from point A to point B. But the MTR views moving people around as an asset rather than an expense. One of the reasons they turned their metro card into a universal payment system is that they view metro stations as valuable real estate. That's also why they are so clean and, yes comfortably air conditioned, as are the trains. In effect, they treat metro stations as shopping malls. All their merchants are guaranteed massive foot traffic, which generates revenue and merchants are strongly encouraged to accept (in fact, IIRC, it's mandatory) the metro card payment system, which also generates revenue.

Private companies running public mass transit may have a set of perverse incentives. But, then again, so do government agencies running public mass transit. It's just a different set of perverse incentives. I think the evidence, such as it is, suggests that private companies are more likely to attempt to woo the public whereas the government tends to treat mass transit as a sort of take-it-or-leave-it governmental service. The people who issue driver's licenses are not really seeking to expand their customer base and, so, have little incentive to improve the quality of the experience.
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Campbell Apartments is closing! Maybe I'll have to get one more prohibition punch before that happens.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/30/all-the-history-thats-going-to-die-with-the-campbell-apartment/
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That's a real shame.

 

lefty

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That's a real shame.

lefty

I agree. It's a real loss. About the last thing NYC needs is another hipster pseudo-loft bar/restaurant.

I thought this was great, though.

“Nor would he suffer wrinkles in his trousers, preferring to sit at his massive desk in his skivvies until an appointment required otherwise.

“He sat there at his desk in his underpants, so as not to lose his crease,” as Manhattan author Allyn Freeman, the closest thing to a Campbell biographer, put it recently."


That shows real commitment. If Mr. Campbell were around today, I am sure he would be an SF member and an inspiration to us all.
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Campbell Apartments is closing! Maybe I'll have to get one more prohibition punch before that happens.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/30/all-the-history-thats-going-to-die-with-the-campbell-apartment/

 

Wow, what kind of jerks at MTA threw this place out?

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