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I generally agree with Greg, but there's no way I would let my kid sit in the middle of the aisle during a wedding. If he couldn't sit still, then I would take him outside so he wasn't a distraction from the ceremony.
post #10067 of 10074
I would do the same.

But I've noticed that a lot of people with no kids place a standard of behavior on little children that (a) exhibits a total lack of understanding or empathy for how children of a certain age should and can behave based on their age and development, and (b) is a higher standard than often placed on adults!

The best example is the restaurant one : a table of four adults being loud, laughing and getting drunk will be met with slight disapproval but rarely even a mention. Same behavior coming from 5 year olds will be highlighted and noted as disturbing their peace, while blaming the parents for not trying to control the mind of a child to make him behave like a teen. This is completely upside down - people should be infinitely more patient and understanding with rowdy kids in restaurants than with loud adults. Because that is normal behavior and should be met with a smile, not a tsk tsk tsk

Another great example are the douchebags making long faces, turning around and sighing heavily when a kid cries on an airplanes. It's nature, man, deal with it.
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For some reason, this is the funniest thing I have read all week. I am having trouble processing the idea of organizing a destination wedding around Eurocracy or Manneken-Pis.

Not that of a big deal/stretch.
The bride was born in Belgium and her parents/most of her family still lived there. The groom was from the US...Boston where they both lived. They wanted to have the wedding in her home town.

My GF at the time was good friends with both. They invited me when I first met them and we made a 10 day holiday out of it(London for 7 days and Belgium for 3.)

Ah, OK. I was picturing some couple saying "Let's get married in someplace exotic and romantic! How about Brussels?"
post #10069 of 10074
This thread is currently reminding me why I revel in being a misanthrope.
post #10070 of 10074
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Another great example are the douchebags making long faces, turning around and sighing heavily when a kid cries on an airplanes. It's nature, man, deal with it.

nature also kills people, and screaming babies on planes kill me.




i know, i'm not using the word kills correctly. i know, i didn't capitalize my i's, etc.
post #10071 of 10074
If a screaming baby killed you that would be epic. (Intertexuality)
post #10072 of 10074
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I generally agree with Greg, but there's no way I would let my kid sit in the middle of the aisle during a wedding. If he couldn't sit still, then I would take him outside so he wasn't a distraction from the ceremony.

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I would do the same. .


That's all I am saying.

I am not crucifying children for being children in certain situations. But for some, when the parent just sits(stands in my case) and does nothing because they feel it is "cute", they ruin someone's day/event/etc.

It's called "upbringing." If you can't provide it in certain situations, then you are to blame IMO.
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

I would do the same.

But I've noticed that a lot of people with no kids place a standard of behavior on little children that (a) exhibits a total lack of understanding or empathy for how children of a certain age should and can behave based on their age and development, and (b) is a higher standard than often placed on adults!

The best example is the restaurant one : a table of four adults being loud, laughing and getting drunk will be met with slight disapproval but rarely even a mention. Same behavior coming from 5 year olds will be highlighted and noted as disturbing their peace, while blaming the parents for not trying to control the mind of a child to make him behave like a teen. This is completely upside down - people should be infinitely more patient and understanding with rowdy kids in restaurants than with loud adults. Because that is normal behavior and should be met with a smile, not a tsk tsk tsk

Another great example are the douchebags making long faces, turning around and sighing heavily when a kid cries on an airplanes. It's nature, man, deal with it.

There's a lot to unpack here.

First, with respect to the airplane, I agree that people who make a big deal about a baby crying on an airplane are wrong. Having said that, a certain amount of involuntary despair is to be expected when you are stuck on a 12-hour flight with a screaming baby. But the parents can't do anything about it and they would if they could so they get a pass. Or, rather, they don't really need a pass since they aren't at fault. If, however, your baby is crying in a restaurant, I fully expect you to remove them until they calm down.

When your kid spends several hours kicking the back of my seat, it's another matter. I have actually had parents heatedly defend their children's actions, "Well, he's just a child! It's a long flight. What do you expect?"

What I expect is that you make an effort to control your child in public. If your child can't not continuously kick the back of my airplane seat, then you should not bring him on an airplane until he learns not to do that.

With respect to restaurants, it depends. If it is some chain restaurants that caters to children/families/drunks, I completely agree. But if it is not, then the burden is on both adults and children to behave themselves properly, or at least a bit better.

But even in family restaurants, there are limits. I was in a casual dining restaurant recently where some parents thought it would be a good idea to let their three-year-old watch cartoons on an iPad. Without headphones. I'm sure it was convenient for the parents, but nobody else was really keen on incorporating high-volume laugh tracks and funny voices into their dining experience. Plus, modern children's cartoons kind of suck so the plot wasn't even very interesting.

As I said, I have a great deal of patience and good will for parents who are making an effort. I will put up with a lot if I hear parents admonishing their kids to "use their inside voices" etc. Some parents, however, have a very different approach. While I view taking kids to a restaurant as a socialization experience, some parents consider it as just a way to get food. I think that's both fundamentally mistaken and a missed opportunity.
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

I would do the same.

But I've noticed that a lot of people with no kids place a standard of behavior on little children that (a) exhibits a total lack of understanding or empathy for how children of a certain age should and can behave based on their age and development, and (b) is a higher standard than often placed on adults!

The best example is the restaurant one : a table of four adults being loud, laughing and getting drunk will be met with slight disapproval but rarely even a mention. Same behavior coming from 5 year olds will be highlighted and noted as disturbing their peace, while blaming the parents for not trying to control the mind of a child to make him behave like a teen. This is completely upside down - people should be infinitely more patient and understanding with rowdy kids in restaurants than with loud adults. Because that is normal behavior and should be met with a smile, not a tsk tsk tsk

Another great example are the douchebags making long faces, turning around and sighing heavily when a kid cries on an airplanes. It's nature, man, deal with it.

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some parents thought it would be a good idea to let their three-year-old watch cartoons on an iPad. Without headphones.

I suspect these are the same people who would, say, have a loud phone conversation in a library.
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