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Sales rep: "Peak or Shawl lapel tuxedos are outdated"

post #1 of 31
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I was browsing in Macy's for a variety of things with my fiancee a few days ago, and I wandered into the suit/blazer area just to check out what they had in terms of tuxedos (I already knew what models were sold online, but wanted to see what was actually carried in the store and possibly just try a couple on to see if any particular brand fit since I have a strange body habitus).  Anyway, I eventually found the two or three styles they had in stock (all notch lapel of course, unfortunately), and a "sales associate" (if you can call them that at Macy's) approached my fiancee and me to ask if we needed help.  He was a gentleman probably in his mid-50's or early 60's even.  I replied "I'm just checking out tuxedos you have in stock to get a feel for some of the fits, although I'm guessing you don't have any in a peak or shawl lapel?" and he gave me this quizzical and troubled look as if I had said "hello, I am a registered sex offender."  

 

After he paused for a moment, he said "Um . . . you might want to rethink that.  Peak and shawl lapels are very outdated.  Pretty much everyone wears notch lapels nowadays."  

 

I presume he was trying to be helpful, misguided as he was.  And to be fair, most people do end up wearing notch lapel tuxedos these days, misguided as they are.

 

I just said something about "well I have a particular look in mind" and ended up getting out of there soon thereafter.

 

Is this what menswear has become?  Even guys who probably should know better are willing to throw in the towel and bend to the will of the masses?

post #2 of 31
What the heck is wrong with you? Why didn't you whip out your iphone and start quoting SF threads and blacktieguide.com at him?

Honestly. Kids today.
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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post

What the heck is wrong with you? Why didn't you whip out your iphone and start quoting SF threads and blacktieguide.com at him?
Honestly. Kids today.

Relax, I emailed the proper links to his supervising manager when I got home.
post #4 of 31

Well, in his defense, it's what the masses wear that counts for the VAST majority of people/buyers. And that's what outlet stores are buying in.

If some clueless guy walks into a store and buys some "outdated" suit, there's a good chance he'll return it asap when he discovers that all his buddies are wearing other suits that look "in". Even if the suits that are "in" look like sh!t and will be dated 2 years from now. 

 

So in other words, big store SA's will always opt for what's modern...that's just the way it is. And by modern, I mean what the average Joes are buying and wearing. 

post #5 of 31
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Relax, I emailed the proper links to his supervising manager when I got home.

You did not.

Did you really?
post #6 of 31
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You did not.
Did you really?

Hell no.
post #7 of 31

Pity, you should have.

post #8 of 31
Serves you right for shopping at Macy
post #9 of 31
its macys, you're lucky that he knew what a lapel was
post #10 of 31

Stopped into Tom Ford last time I was in NYC and I must say talking to a certain associate there was a riot. I'm a newb, but have read all of Flussers books as well as Le Snob and the gentleman's guide, so I have a basic understanding of suiting. I wanted to learn more about the base A vs the base T and mid point through the conversation the rep told me sizing was a none issue as they would mold the suit to my body regardless of the size. I tried on a jacket and pointed out the pulling just under the sleeve head, no worries said they rep, they can remake the shoulder and mold to my body -- no big deal. This was true of every ill fitting garment I tried on. "Oh, we can mold that".

 

Sorry, but if you're selling 5k suits and up to 12k shoes, your reps should know what the hell they are talking about.

post #11 of 31
The Macy's in New York City has its own private jail. I think the sales rep needs to be sent there immediately.
post #12 of 31

So, was the tux Alfani or Tommy Hilfiger?

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So, was the tux Alfani or Tommy Hilfiger?

 

Tommy.  They had one size (not mine) each in the Alfani, DKNY, Jones New York, and RL (all notches, except the Alfani was a peak).

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Serves you right for shopping at Macy

 

Yup, I don't expect any type of help there, and I really wasn't shopping for a tux there at all (just scoping out what the things looked like/felt like in person since I was already there with the woman).  I don't even think those guys make a commission (I might be wrong), so it probably behooves them to just hide in the back anyway.

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Tommy.  They had one size (not mine) each in the Alfani, DKNY, Jones New York, and RL (all notches, except the Alfani was a peak).

 

Blue and white striped lining or was that option only available on the MTM Tommy Tux?

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