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post #16 of 60
In my experience:

Ferragamo clothing is shitty
Gucci can be fine but sometimes too fashion

Louis Vuitton good but pricey
Burberry some good but pricey and some a bit ugly
Hugo Boss expensive for quality. I like the cuts of some of their items but it's hard to justify the price for me.
Hermes I don't think anyone dislikes Hermes here for any reason except it's expensive. They make great items and even offer bespoke.

Most of the 'luxury' brands you're thinking of are just overpriced for the quality in the minds of some users here. You'll find more people hating on fashion brands than luxury brands. I think you'll find lots of love for luxury brands here.

Brioni, Zegna,Cucinelli etc... they're known to be luxury brands but also have amazing items that are made a cut well.
post #17 of 60


Because this sucks!
post #18 of 60
An appreciation for and understanding of design, construction and materials will always outweigh the mainstream brand whoredom that infects the clueless, easily impressed masses and bastardizes the art of traditional tailoring. Our passion is a dying one. And so it is our responsibility as stewards of taste and connoisseurs of style to foster the growth of sustainable, traditional artistry.

This is likely the bullshit that some members tell to themselves each and every time they press Submit. In reality many think they know what something should cost. One of the biggest things done here is "separating" marketing from the finished product, and then deducting that perceived mark-up from the price we're willing to pay. So, really, this is just how someone justifies not paying full retail. This justification quickly becomes the standard and from there you create a very narrow set of boundaries for what constitutes quality vs a good deal, etc.

Why do many hate "high-end" brands? Because we're the cool kids; too cool to do what everyone else is doing. And yet we're the nerds at the same time for obsessing over what 99% of the population is clueless about. It's this internal struggle that keeps us on our tows and forever striving for an answer as to why we spend an obscene amount of money on getting dressed. In that struggle we quickly abandon brands or items because they do not fit into our conception of quality.
post #19 of 60

OP may be confusing "High End" with "conspicuous".

 

I try to avoid conspicuously branded clothing because, among other things, I paid for the clothing already, why should I pay the maker again by helping them advertise? 

post #20 of 60

What I've observed: 

 

The standard answer is that the "fashion" brands are far too fashion-forward (no shit?), too expensive at retail, and the quality/price ratio is too low compared to [insert-small-quality-brand] clothings that can be found at extreme sales and steep discounts. 

 

One thing I find funny though, is the fact that people here love to bitch and moan about price-markups from fashion brands. Hugo Boss is one of the usual suspects around here. 

 

"It's a good suit for 200$, but no way is it worth 800$, you're basically paying 50% for the name alone! what a scam"

Meanwhile, the same guys are jacking off to 10k$ boutique suits. "But, but, look at the beautiful button-holes, look at the hand stitching, look at the soft lapel roll" 

 

Everyone's marking up their prices. Simple as that, and the more customers and exclusive they get, the more the mark-up...simple economy.  

 

(But just as a closure; People here are very critical and detail obsessed. That's just how it is with most interests, the more experienced you get. Not just clothing...and in many cases, the fashion-label clothes don't add up in the small details, compared to some other makers)  

post #21 of 60
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Originally Posted by Klobber View Post

Nearly all people here like high end brands. Within the context of high end brands, it is inevitable that some receive preference over others.
A large part of Gucci / Armani / Prada hate stems from brand image, diffusion lines, and lack of brand exclusivity. Everyone knows they make good stuff, but with brand whores adorning themselves with douchebaggery, a lot of folks would rather steer clear.

I certainly see a lot of that here. So I do steer well clear of the brands that the OP mentions..
post #22 of 60
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Originally Posted by harryx2 View Post


Because this sucks!

Where did you find that piece? Taobao?

"LOUVIS".. not seen that variant before though. Louvis by Louis Vuitton, probably a diffusion line.
Edited by MikeDT - 8/22/12 at 6:43pm
post #23 of 60
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Originally Posted by dreamspace View Post

What I've observed: 

The standard answer is that the "fashion" brands are far too fashion-forward (no shit?), too expensive at retail, and the quality/price ratio is too low compared to [insert-small-quality-brand] clothings that can be found at extreme sales and steep discounts. 

One thing I find funny though, is the fact that people here love to bitch and moan about price-markups from fashion brands. Hugo Boss is one of the usual suspects around here. 

"It's a good suit for 200$, but no way is it worth 800$, you're basically paying 50% for the name alone! what a scam"
Meanwhile, the same guys are jacking off to 10k$ boutique suits. "But, but, look at the beautiful button-holes, look at the hand stitching, look at the soft lapel roll" 

Everyone's marking up their prices. Simple as that, and the more customers and exclusive they get, the more the mark-up...simple economy.  

(But just as a closure; People here are very critical and detail obsessed. That's just how it is with most interests, the more experienced you get. Not just clothing...and in many cases, the fashion-label clothes don't add up in the small details, compared to some other makers)  

Hugo Boss suits are fused. The same construction you find at a $150 cheapo suit. In terms of how well that suit is made, there really isn't that much difference from the bottom of the barrel, they just price it a lot higher. The top end suits everybody loves around here are made from VERY nice fabrics and are made with full canvas construction- a much better way of building a suit. More durable, gives a better shape to the suit, and just much better made across the board. It's also much more labor intensive, and thus a lot more expensive.

There's really nothing wrong with a fused suit- the technology to make them has gotten a lot better, and obvious issues like bubbling are pretty much a thing of the past. But a fused suit is not worth $800 when you can get half canvassed (or even from a few limited made to measure places, fully canvassed) suits for half of that.

Hugo Boss doesn't just neglect the small details. They cheap out on much more central elements.
post #24 of 60

Hugo Boss was just the first company that popped up in my mind, there's dozens of other makers and brands that get the same ol' "You pay xx% for the name", "They're way too expensive, you're being overcharged". Like most of the big fashion houses. 

 

On the other hand, some suitmakers (albeit extremely good suitmakers) can charge whatever they want and never get called out on it. What I'm trying to say is; the same people that rag down on Fashion brands for over-pricing their stuff, are the same people that will defend their favorite (over-priced) boutique brands. Of course, you get quality, but paying 8k$ for some OTR suit (that probably cost 2k$ to produce) is still over-pricing. Tom Ford is one brand that always seems to get that free-card around here.  

   

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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post


Hugo Boss suits are fused. The same construction you find at a $150 cheapo suit. In terms of how well that suit is made, there really isn't that much difference from the bottom of the barrel, they just price it a lot higher. The top end suits everybody loves around here are made from VERY nice fabrics and are made with full canvas construction- a much better way of building a suit. More durable, gives a better shape to the suit, and just much better made across the board. It's also much more labor intensive, and thus a lot more expensive.
There's really nothing wrong with a fused suit- the technology to make them has gotten a lot better, and obvious issues like bubbling are pretty much a thing of the past. But a fused suit is not worth $800 when you can get half canvassed (or even from a few limited made to measure places, fully canvassed) suits for half of that.
Hugo Boss doesn't just neglect the small details. They cheap out on much more central elements.
post #25 of 60
I hate fashion brands, love luxuary brands
post #26 of 60

I do not care much for "high end" brands, for several reasons:

 

  1. Many of them produce gaudy designs and this goes against my main principle:  Luxury should be sophisticated but underexposed.
  2. Bang for a buck is not there; you pay for the name.
  3. Many are brands are willing to sacrifice exclusivity in favor of broader market. This is especially true for many companies that are publicly traded, as investors will constantly seek to maximize the short term ROI.

 

Plus, once you get into premium territory you can't really justify spending money on something that is not made exclusively for you.

post #27 of 60
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Originally Posted by dreamspace View Post

Hugo Boss was just the first company that popped up in my mind, there's dozens of other makers and brands that get the same ol' "You pay xx% for the name", "They're way too expensive, you're being overcharged". Like most of the big fashion houses. 

On the other hand, some suitmakers (albeit extremely good suitmakers) can charge whatever they want and never get called out on it. What I'm trying to say is; the same people that rag down on Fashion brands for over-pricing their stuff, are the same people that will defend their favorite (over-priced) boutique brands. Of course, you get quality, but paying 8k$ for some OTR suit (that probably cost 2k$ to produce) is still over-pricing. Tom Ford is one brand that always seems to get that free-card around here.  
   

I think you are comparing apples to oranges here. Most of the people that i have seen who shit on luxury brands mostly use the "you can get (insert random 3rd world country) Bespoke for half the price/its fused and will catch on fire after the first dry cleaning arguments. While most of the people who defend Brioni, Attolini, Kiton, Tom Ford, Zegna couture etc are people trying to say that High end RTW should not be looked down upon just because it is "RTW".
post #28 of 60
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Originally Posted by dreamspace View Post

Hugo Boss was just the first company that popped up in my mind, there's dozens of other makers and brands that get the same ol' "You pay xx% for the name", "They're way too expensive, you're being overcharged". Like most of the big fashion houses. 

 

On the other hand, some suitmakers (albeit extremely good suitmakers) can charge whatever they want and never get called out on it. What I'm trying to say is; the same people that rag down on Fashion brands for over-pricing their stuff, are the same people that will defend their favorite (over-priced) boutique brands. Of course, you get quality, but paying 8k$ for some OTR suit (that probably cost 2k$ to produce) is still over-pricing. Tom Ford is one brand that always seems to get that free-card around here.  

   

I purchase Hugo Boss at the outlet. Most of my money is spent on ties and shoes though

post #29 of 60

I dislike LV because it's plastered with "LV" logos.

post #30 of 60
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Originally Posted by black_umbrella View Post

I'm voting for the "hiding behind brand" issues. People will post, get reamed, and say "but it's a Gucci* suit!"
Spending a sh*t ton of money does not excuse a lack of taste.**
*fill in brand and item of clothing you choose.
** Not claiming that I have particularly good taste...
David Foster Wallace post.

 

Not enough footnotes for David Foster Wallace. Also, he would footnote the footnotes.

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