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post #316 of 416
Gdot, I for one have no doubt that you have a good read on the subset of wealthy people with whom you do business. But others here, myself included, provide other services to extremely wealthy clients (investment management in my case) and have a very different read on them. In my business you would do well to dress modestly when meeting with current and prospective clients.

Either one of us is wrong about their client base, or else "wealth" is not an indicia of what someone expects or wants to see in their service providers. I suspect it is the latter. Therefore it is not that when selling services to rich people one should dress expensively or modestly, but that in different lines of work there are different standards and expectations. I'm sure your style works well in your field just as I'm sure mine works well in mine, even though we could have some overlap in clients.

That is my attempt to reconcile what you see on a daily basis with the reaction you are perceiving here.
post #317 of 416
Agreed.

I certainly never meant to imply in any way that my personal experience resulted in a 'one size fits all' summary for all. If that is how my explanations have 'come off' I apologize.

And by the way, my boss has always advised us that we would do well to dress a notch or two below that of our clients as a general rule. It doesn't do well to look like one has charged his previous clients too dearly, or that he has spent his money wantonly on bespoke alligator shoes and the like.

My real point in all of this ranting is to point out that it is idiotic to blast away at someone about their choices of attire when you really haven't any personal experience of their environment or experience. For those who constantly do so around here they really should note that they it is themselves that they make look foolish, not the person they are snarking at.

And even more than that - all the constant snark over subjective choices drives off people who are here to learn a little something.
post #318 of 416
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Shoes have become an art for many. The only problem I have with this is that shoes get damaged so easily. That's why I appreciate nice suiting over shoes... that's not to say I don't like the best of both.

The reason I'm all for shoes is because they are the only articles of clothing that have a direct effect on health. I've never heard a man complain about his suit, ties, tweed jacket or socks giving aches over too small or large a fit. Shoes: very much so. Maybe not after a day, maybe not after a week, but in due time pain will come. If you're lucky, the aches will turn to nerve pain. In waves, ever upward.
post #319 of 416
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The reason I'm all for shoes is because they are the only articles of clothing that have a direct effect on health. I've never heard a man complain about his suit, ties, tweed jacket or socks giving aches over too small or large a fit. Shoes: very much so. Maybe not after a day, maybe not after a week, but in due time pain will come. If you're lucky, the aches will turn to nerve pain. In waves, ever upward.

If you're concerned about comfort and health, you should be wearing $50 shoes with lots of rubber and padding.
In contrast, rock hard leather inner and outer soles can beat your poor feet to a pulp. Here's what I do....

Best Shoes for Travel? Ask a Flight Attendant
Wow, total shocker that no one is suggesting rock hard leather inners with leather soles !!
I meant, comfy as a slipper made from a pillow, right?
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post #320 of 416
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I cannot comprehend how it is so hard for people to imagine that when conducting business with these people that one does well to look expensively dressed.

 

I think what some people are saying is that eye-catching unique shoes with distinctive pointy lasts and bright colors aren't necessarily what "expensively dressed" brings to their minds. 

post #321 of 416
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I think what some people are saying is that eye-catching unique shoes with distinctive pointy lasts and bright colors aren't necessarily what "expensively dressed" brings to their minds. 

I would agree that eye catching unique shoes aren't necessarily the only way to appear expensively dressed.

As to what comes to people's minds - that's based on their perceptions. Which are based on their personal exposure and experiences, myself included.

And that's all that I'm saying - hang out at the Bulgari Hotel in Milan, the George V in Paris, the Mandarin Oriental in Barcelona, the Corinthia in London, or the Armani Hotel in Dubai and you will quickly realize that G&G shoes on the TG73 last are not really all that out there at all in some circles. There are plenty of people in these and similar environments who are accustomed to so much more quality and variety in their attire than one might imagine without personal exposure to them. People who appreciate creativity and variety and have all the money in the world to indulge their habits. And, among this sort, if you see them in more private situations, their homes, their yachts, their jets, their super exclusive and unpublicized restaurants you are even more likely to see exotic hides, brighter colors etc. etc. than you see in public places. In this world my red G&Gs are not all that out there at all.

And, by the way, those who dress classically and conservatively are likely to be wearing some pretty shaply shoes as well (think bespoke Cleverly or Lobb as exammples).
post #322 of 416
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I would agree that eye catching unique shoes aren't necessarily the only way to appear expensively dressed.
As to what comes to people's minds - that's based on their perceptions. Which are based on their personal exposure and experiences, myself included.
And that's all that I'm saying - hang out at the Bulgari Hotel in Milan, the George V in Paris, the Mandarin Oriental in Barcelona, the Corinthia in London, or the Armani Hotel in Dubai and you will quickly realize that G&G shoes on the TG73 last are not really all that out there at all in some circles. There are plenty of people in these and similar environments who are accustomed to so much more quality and variety in their attire than one might imagine without personal exposure to them. People who appreciate creativity and variety and have all the money in the world to indulge their habits. And, among this sort, if you see them in more private situations, their homes, their yachts, their jets, their super exclusive and unpublicized restaurants you are even more likely to see exotic hides, brighter colors etc. etc. than you see in public places. In this world my red G&Gs are not all that out there at all.
And, by the way, those who dress classically and conservatively are likely to be wearing some pretty shaply shoes as well (think bespoke Cleverly or Lobb as exammples).

 

I actually agree with you on this. I'd compare it to when I was a college radio DJ and basically couldn't listen to anything "normal" or popular, and got into weird shit because everything else just sounded the same and boring. 

 

I think where this conversation went off track was that you were equating some of the stylistic choices of some of the shoes you like (beveled waist, sleek pointed last, etc) with the quality of the shoe. You can get some very well made high-quality shoes that don't have these stylistic choices. 

 

Pop music still sucks, though.

 

But more to the point.... How do I get Vass delivered to my door for $550?

post #323 of 416
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But more to the point.... How do I get Vass delivered to my door for $550?

Buy used.
post #324 of 416
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Originally Posted by grendel View Post

I actually agree with you on this. I'd compare it to when I was a college radio DJ and basically couldn't listen to anything "normal" or popular, and got into weird shit because everything else just sounded the same and boring. 

I think where this conversation went off track was that you were equating some of the stylistic choices of some of the shoes you like (beveled waist, sleek pointed last, etc) with the quality of the shoe. You can get some very well made high-quality shoes that don't have these stylistic choices. 

Pop music still sucks, though.

But more to the point.... How do I get Vass delivered to my door for $550?

Not possible new. Even used, these shoes command more than $550. It is the old demand supply theory.
post #325 of 416
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Not possible new. Even used, these shoes command more than $550. It is the old demand supply theory.

 

I figured, but someone was saying they could do it in this thread. 

post #326 of 416
What does Vass charge for shipping to the U.S.?
post #327 of 416
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Originally Posted by grendel View Post

I actually agree with you on this. I'd compare it to when I was a college radio DJ and basically couldn't listen to anything "normal" or popular, and got into weird shit because everything else just sounded the same and boring. 

I think where this conversation went off track was that you were equating some of the stylistic choices of some of the shoes you like (beveled waist, sleek pointed last, etc) with the quality of the shoe. You can get some very well made high-quality shoes that don't have these stylistic choices. 

Pop music still sucks, though.

But more to the point.... How do I get Vass delivered to my door for $55

I feel you.

Actually what I was attempting to point out was that the craftsmenship/skill/care that it takes to create the specific stylistic elements is part of what separates such a shoe from a lower quality model.

Of course you can buy equally high quality shoes that don't have these specific features.

What I can't seem to understand is this: Take two shoes of identical construction craftsmenship and quality, all internals the same, all factors the same except one has a much more detailed level of craftsmenship required to create a specific asthetic effect (conservative or adventurous doesn't matter). Because one took much more time and craftsmenship to create than the ofther, that makes it the higher quality shoe, no?

Unless, of course, your criteria for quality is strictly related to durability and fit.
post #328 of 416
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Originally Posted by grendel View Post

 

I figured, but someone was saying they could do it in this thread. 

 

AFAIK Vass charges ~420 EUR for Italian models (F, U, K) including VAT.
post #329 of 416
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Originally Posted by Reevolving View Post


If you're concerned about comfort and health, you should be wearing $50 shoes with lots of rubber and padding.
In contrast, rock hard leather inner and outer soles can beat your poor feet to a pulp. Here's what I do....
Best Shoes for Travel? Ask a Flight Attendant
Wow, total shocker that no one is suggesting rock hard leather inners with leather soles !!
I meant, comfy as a slipper made from a pillow, right?
nest.gifsmack.gifdeadhorse-a.gif

 

It's more about your weight and muscle tolerance than footwear; obesity and lack of any exercise will kill your feet regardless of what kind of shoes you wear...
post #330 of 416
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

Because one took much more time and craftsmenship to create than the ofther, that makes it the higher quality shoe, no?

As an artist, i would say that artistry translates more to skill, not necessarily quality. Details definitely point to great skill in craftsmanship, but i always correlate quality more to material purity and construction. I suppose everyones definition is relative.

Just my 2 cents on the shoe quality conversation...
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