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post #286 of 415
MCanavan6, you will receive as many opinions as this thread receives posts. What will most likely rise up constantly are quality of materials, level of finishing, details, lasts and amount of handwork. All factors you will receive plenty but you may want to think this through: once you up the ante to $1000 shoes, your less-finished older pairs may not thrill anymore. Great shoes are cocaine for feet and eyes.
post #287 of 415
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

Hendrix,
You've made it clear so far that you have one, and only one quality evaluation for a shoe. That being the method of creating the inseam.
As so far as I can see you seem to have completed disregarded all other criteria at one point or another in this conversation.
You have indicated that the quality of the materials used doesn't impact quality to you. That careful craftsmenship of the details doesn't impact quality to you. That quality of finishing and artistry mean nothing to you regarding quality. The selections of the leather by the clickers mean nothing to you. The method of lasting and thus the amount of 'tension' and stretch of the leather on the end product mean nothing to you.
Surely your understanding of quality is more complex than simply judging everything about the end result around one and only criteria.
Would you please elaborate as to what other factors do mean 'quality' to you?

I haven't indicated any of this. Learn to read and comprehend.

I've said that stylistic variations aren't an indicator of quality, and their beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm fed up with this. I'd like to say that we "agree to disagree" but I still don't think you understand my point.

Cheers.
Edited by hendrix - 9/6/12 at 1:29pm
post #288 of 415
I haven't seen so many butthurt rich guys in once place since 2008.
post #289 of 415
I'll thank you not to imply that I have problems comprehending what I read. As that is clearly not the case.

Perhaps if you only answered my exceedingly simple question this would all clear up.

What features, outside of the inseam construction, do you contend are pertinent to quality?
post #290 of 415
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Originally Posted by VRaivio View Post

MCanavan6, you will receive as many opinions as this thread receives posts. What will most likely rise up constantly are quality of materials, level of finishing, details, lasts and amount of handwork. All factors you will receive plenty but you may want to think this through: once you up the ante to $1000 shoes, your less-finished older pairs may not thrill anymore. Great shoes are cocaine for feet and eyes.


It s an addiction like none other. Quality shoes only makes you seek better quality. It is a non ending circle of saratorial spending.
Well, thera are worrst habits and addictions!.
post #291 of 415
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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post

I haven't seen so many butthurt rich guys in once place since 2008.

WEll, what the heck are you doing here then. Jump man before you catch the bug.
post #292 of 415
What an odd way to approach nice things. "Advantage?" Not the right mind set to start out with.
post #293 of 415
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post


What features, outside of the inseam construction, do you contend are pertinent to quality?
...everything?

quality of materials, care in clicking, in closing, in lasting, in welting, in stitching the sole...

Some things are more important than others.

Many "mid tier" shoes such as Carmina are hand lasted and hand clicked. the "top tier" shoes are made no better than them. A beveled welt and a chiseled last doesn't mean that a shoe is higher quality.

What you seem to be confused about is when I say that hand lasting is a somewhat marginal difference to a machine made shoe. It is a little weird to me to make a shoe by machine but last it by hand. If that's a differentiating factor, that's fine. Maybe it makes sense to the manufacturer. It's a little odd to me, but that's up to you. That wasn't my main point.
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

Hendrix,
You've made it clear so far that you have one, and only one quality evaluation for a shoe. That being the method of creating the inseam.

No, I haven't. I've said that some features are more important than others, but that's not the point i'm making.
I'm just repeating what I said earlier in the thread, but I hope this helps you to understand that this is not what I have said or think.

Maybe gsugsu's post will help you understand
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Originally Posted by gsugsu View Post

So does the approximately $1250 price tag (non-discounted) for an hand lasted, high quality construction, MTO shoe represent a better value over a $500 pair of shoes? Does the first order discounted price trump the $500 pair even more? To be honest, you can get similar quality and MTO options with Vass for half the price. But our choices are not only made with our heads but with our hearts. You cannot put a price on aesthetic appeal.

I.e. He's buys what he likes and he likes them because of the way they look.
post #294 of 415
Beyond a pair $400 Aldens, what "advantage" is there to be had when spending more? You are not getting superior longevity or durability. You are getting more refined craftsmanship, finer materials, and potentially more pleasing aesthetics. These are not advantages. They are admirable qualities.
post #295 of 415
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Originally Posted by Saratorial_Splender View Post

It s an addiction like none other. Quality shoes only makes you seek better quality. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It is a non ending circle of saratorial spending.
Well, thera are worrst habits and addictions!.

they make you feel comfortable and stand like a man...
post #296 of 415
Wow,

No wonder I'm confused. Because contrary to your post above where you say that among the factors that determine quality are: "quality of materials, care in clicking, in closing, in lasting, in welting, in stitching the sole...'

In post #251 you clearly said that quality of materials, hand lasting and increased craftsmenship etc. doesn't mean increased quality:

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Originally Posted by Gdot

I appreciate your well worded response.
However, I still beg to differ that all the finer points of the detailed creation of a $1000 dress shoe that are in addition to the way a $500 dress shoe is made result in a higher quality level of shoe. Style preferences aside. It simply takes more time, care, and Craftsmenship to bevel a welt, fiddle back a waist (which I don't care for), hand last an upper over a more shapely last, use a more expensive tannage, close cut the welt, etc. etc.
All of these things, whether or not you chose them, increase the QUALITY of the shoe, as they require additional care and craftsmenship, no?

And your response: No. Just because they incur higher costs doesn't make them a higher quality shoe.

Is there any wonder I can't comprehend your reasoning?
post #297 of 415
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Beyond a pair $400 Aldens, what "advantage" is there to be had when spending more? You are not getting superior longevity or durability. You are getting more refined craftsmanship, finer materials, and potentially more pleasing aesthetics. These are not advantages. They are admirable qualities.

Agreed.
post #298 of 415
This is reading comprehension fail.


this:
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Originally Posted by Gdot View Post

bevel a welt, fiddle back a waist (which I don't care for), hand last an upper over a more shapely last, use a more expensive tannage, close cut the welt, etc. etc

is different from this:
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

...everything?
quality of materials, care in clicking, in closing, in lasting, in welting, in stitching the sole...

I'm no longer going to spell this out for you.
post #299 of 415
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Beyond a pair $550 Vass, what "advantage" is there to be had when spending more? You are not getting superior longevity or durability. You are getting more refined craftsmanship, finer materials, and potentially more pleasing aesthetics. These are not advantages. They are admirable qualities.

 

FIFY.

post #300 of 415
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

This is reading comprehension fail.
this:
is different from this:
I'm no longer going to spell this out for you.

Just when we are almost done, too.

I think I am finally getting what you call quality (beyond your well known devotion to hand stitched inseams).

Would it be fair to say that, your definition of quality exclusively values craftsmenship and superior materials which result in increased durability and improved fit.
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