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post #256 of 1663
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

I, for one, love the new refs. Every game is way more interesting. Bookies must be losing their minds though.

All the delays are not very interesting.
post #257 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

All the delays are not very interesting.
True dat.
post #258 of 1663
Why the fuck would the officials cave in at this point? Shit, if I was them I'd be holding out for MORE. Its clearly obvious they have a valuable commodity that can't be purchased elsewhere.
post #259 of 1663
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Wow.

The sad thing is the Refs and owners are only a few million apart.... not per team, mind you, but TOTAL!
That's like 100 k each team needs to cough up. The players should strike.

I heard this morning that the spread between the two sides was $32K per team, per year. If that is true, this is a ridiculous war of billionaire egos vs union knuckleheads.
post #260 of 1663
Source? I can virtually guarantee this is not true. No business owner is that dumb.
post #261 of 1663
My understanding is that it is not the money issue, but rather the ref's pensions that is causing this whole kerfuffle. The owners want to move to a 401(k) style of pension and the refs don't want to. Also, the owners want to hire something like 10-15 more refs, but not increase the salary pool for the refs, thereby decreasing each of their salaries.

However, it is the pension issue that is really the problem.
post #262 of 1663
Also best line of the night last night: "Russell Wilson is the only quarterback in the history of the NFL to throw a game-winning interception."
post #263 of 1663
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Originally Posted by denning View Post

Also best line of the night last night: "Russell Wilson is the only quarterback in the history of the NFL to throw a game-winning interception."

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Originally Posted by thinman View Post

Best line of the night: "Russell Wilson is the only quarterback in the history of the NFL to throw a game-winning interception."

I don't think this will speed the settlement. If a player were to suffer a major, career-ending injury that could be directly attributed to the lousy officiating, that might stir some action because the league would realize they have legal liability. The owners really don't care what this is doing to the NFL brand, which is what I think Steve Young was trying to say last night (it's amazing how inarticulate he became when he was off-script).

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post #264 of 1663
Damnit.
post #265 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

Source? I can virtually guarantee this is not true. No business owner is that dumb.

About $100K per team:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444083304578018700766066368.html
post #266 of 1663
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

Source? I can virtually guarantee this is not true. No business owner is that dumb.

About $100K per team:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444083304578018700766066368.html

I think the person I heard discussing the matter was confusing the dollars per year with dollars over the life of the CBA. Either way it is a trivial amount of money, all things considered.
post #267 of 1663
Yes, it does sound pretty trivial, if that's the gist of it.

But even the article admits some of the divide is philosophical, and not just money - e.g. the full-time issue and the "bench" issue.

Also bear in mind that many of the NFL's full-time emps don't have pension, so sometimes even small monetary issues have larger monetary issues lurking in the shadows.

But yes, it does appear that at least some of this is down to short-sighted stubbornness. Thankfully, it looks like the debacle on Monday may have woken a few people up. For Christ's sakes, I bet the Ravens spent half of $100 grand on *fireworks* before the game on Sunday night.
post #268 of 1663
Well, what is "full time" in an industry where you only play 16 games? I agree that the differences are philosophical and that will change soon enough because we ALL see how important refs are to the game. And then again maybe we do but the owners/Goodell will continue to think otherwise.
post #269 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

Yes, it does sound pretty trivial, if that's the gist of it.
But even the article admits some of the divide is philosophical, and not just money - e.g. the full-time issue and the "bench" issue.
Also bear in mind that many of the NFL's full-time emps don't have pension, so sometimes even small monetary issues have larger monetary issues lurking in the shadows.
But yes, it does appear that at least some of this is down to short-sighted stubbornness. Thankfully, it looks like the debacle on Monday may have woken a few people up. For Christ's sakes, I bet the Ravens spent half of $100 grand on *fireworks* before the game on Sunday night.

yeah, the NFL always takes a hard line in these negotiations and the issue is not just the 100K but rather what lurks in the shadows after they agree to the 100K. The other issue though that they should keep their eye on is, at what point does the NFL suffer monetary damage that is much greater than what they will give up to the refs. A couple of ratings points lower, a few less seats filled etc means a lot more to them than 100K and you hope that the negotiations don't get "personal" where either party decides to cut off its nose to spite its face. I can't remember the last time there was this much disgust with one of the pro leagues, much less the NFL and whether the league is right or not, you'd be hard pressed to find someone to side with the owners on this one. This isn't billionaire owners going up against millionaire players, its owners going against "working class" refs (who make over 100K for part time work, get pensions and are looking for double digit raises wow.gif)
post #270 of 1663
ESPN is reporting that a deal is close, possibly allowing the regular referees to return this week. Please let it be.
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