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post #1006 of 1663
i think the SEA vs ATL game is a toss-up also.

Seattle is playing really well but it's still an away game across the country early in the day. If they get off to another slow start they'll be in trouble. Atlanta is a better team than the Redskins.
post #1007 of 1663
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Originally Posted by 100 yrs View Post

i think the SEA vs ATL game is a toss-up also.
Seattle is playing really well but it's still an away game across the country early in the day. If they get off to another slow start they'll be in trouble. Atlanta is a better team than the Redskins.

 

Agree with this completely. We are all used to ATL just being disappointing in the playoffs, but that doesn't mean they will be this year. I'm still taking the Hawks, but it's close.

post #1008 of 1663
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The MRI exam of Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III’s right knee suggested that Griffin has suffered partial tears of his anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments, according to several people with knowledge of the test results.
Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Griffin is scheduled to be examined Tuesday in Pensacola, Fla., by orthopedic surgeon James Andrews to determine whether the test results show new or previous injuries.
It was not immediately clear whether surgery would be required or how long Griffin would be sidelined if the partial ligament tears are determined to be fresh injuries. Griffin suffered a torn ACL in the same knee in 2009 while he was in college at Baylor, and has been playing in recent weeks with a mild sprain of the LCL.
One person with knowledge of the situation said Griffin might have to undergo exploratory surgery to determine the extent of the damage and whether the injuries are new. Another said Griffin hopes to avoid full-blown reconstructive surgery if the tears are partial, even if they are new injuries.
A third person familiar with the case, asked whether the ligament damage is new or a matter of previous injuries showing up on Griffin’s MRI, said: “That’s what we’re trying to find out.”
Shanahan said at his news conference Monday at Redskins Park that he didn’t know the extent of the damage to Griffin’s knee or how long it will take the quarterback, who just completed his rookie season, to recover. Shanahan said it was unclear whether Griffin will play in the Pro Bowl, to which he was elected, or be ready to participate in the team’s offseason workouts and practices.
Griffin underwent an MRI exam after his knee buckled in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s 24-14 playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks at FedEx Field and he left the field for good. Shanahan said the results of that exam are open to interpretation because of Griffin’s previous injuries.

If that's an ACL tear in the same knee..... uhoh.gif
post #1009 of 1663
I've got NE, Den, for sure.
NFC is much, much harder. Atl is mos def a better team than the 'Skins but Seattle is beasting. SF at home over GB is close but I've got to go SF. Their D is playing really well and they have had some much needed rest. If Justin Smith is healthy and able to play up to his usual level and Frank Gore can be effective I think they take this.

I really have no idea who wins Seattle or Atl., I guess I pick the Falcons.
post #1010 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

If that's an ACL tear in the same knee..... uhoh.gif

Yup. That knee has to be reconstructed again even if it is a partial tear judging by the way it buckled yesterday. He is going to run out of tendons in his kneecaps if he doesn't slow down.
post #1011 of 1663
Not that anyone asked for my opinion, but in light of all the Ray Lewis hate in here, here's my take on the guy.

It's self-evident that he was there when those guys were murdered, and that his friends murdered them. I think from the evidence that it's also clear he did not do it himself. And I'd also wager those two dead guys were no angels either - just the guys that came out on the losing end of a pathetic dispute.

I think he's like a lot of NFL, NBA, and other sports figures who come from shady backgrounds and then hit the big time. They become torn between their new success and their old friends from a much dodgier place; they resist abandoning their old friends and their baggage for fear of becoming sellouts. Without football, yes, I'm sure Ray Lewis could have been one of the guys killing, or being killed. It's all part of a completely fucked up cycle that afflicts many of our urban poor. And calling it an affliction does not completely absolve Lewis, or anyone in that situation, from responsibility for his actions. As a result of who he was and what he did, I understand why many loathe him, and might feel a special revulsion for the way he is lauded, these days with nary a mention of the murder rap. I feel some of those pangs myself...

But I do think that in Lewis' case, the life that he has led after the incident actually demonstrates that he is a changed man. He gives enormous amounts of his time and energy off the field. He is a mentor to literally hundreds of NFL players around the league who might end up in a similar situation to the one he was in. He apparently texts and speaks daily with dozens of players from nearly every NFL team. He gives motivational speeches and makes appearances at hundreds of community events, most of them unpaid. Some of this may just be an eyeball test, but I get the feeling from Lewis' open nature and the things he says that he is genuinely contrite in a way I don't see from, say, Mike Vick.

And he is genuinely an extremely hard worker. He puts more time in the weight room, more time in conditioning, and more time in the film room than anyone else. He's earned every inch of his football success - remember the knock on him was that he didn't have the size or speed to play at the NFL level. He's also a remarkable leader - his teammates absolutely worship him.

Anyways, I think he's a relatively changed man, and I've spend the last 10+ years cheering pretty loud when he came in and did that dance. Albeit with a slight pang of guilt.

I wish he'd have retired a few seasons ago, but he's been pretty fucking awesome.

I'd rather have dinner with Ray Ray than that sniveling bitch Tom Brady, btw.
post #1012 of 1663
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

I've got NE, Den, for sure.
NFC is much, much harder. Atl is mos def a better team than the 'Skins but Seattle is beasting. SF at home over GB is close but I've got to go SF. Their D is playing really well and they have had some much needed rest. If Justin Smith is healthy and able to play up to his usual level and Frank Gore can be effective I think they take this.
I really have no idea who wins Seattle or Atl., I guess I pick the Falcons.

NE hung 40 on them and Seattle 50. If that's playing well I'd like to know what playing bad is.

Frank Gore is no AP, and the Packers solved AP's riddle last week.

Packers. But it will be close.
post #1013 of 1663
douglas, i dont hate ray lewis for his background at all. and i would never deny his tremendous skill as an athlete, his complete dedication and tireless work to being the best at what he does, his significant community services and charities locally and nationally, his motivational skills and how they benefit a great many people, or any of his other many accomplishments.

i just dont like his personality. he turns me off entirely. his vibe, body language and attitude all just make me nauseous. the way he carries himself, the things he says, all of it. i just dont like him. he annoys me.
post #1014 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

Not that anyone asked for my opinion, but in light of all the Ray Lewis hate in here, here's my take on the guy.
It's self-evident that he was there when those guys were murdered, and that his friends murdered them. I think from the evidence that it's also clear he did not do it himself. And I'd also wager those two dead guys were no angels either - just the guys that came out on the losing end of a pathetic dispute.
I think he's like a lot of NFL, NBA, and other sports figures who come from shady backgrounds and then hit the big time. They become torn between their new success and their old friends from a much dodgier place; they resist abandoning their old friends and their baggage for fear of becoming sellouts. Without football, yes, I'm sure Ray Lewis could have been one of the guys killing, or being killed. It's all part of a completely fucked up cycle that afflicts many of our urban poor. And calling it an affliction does not completely absolve Lewis, or anyone in that situation, from responsibility for his actions. As a result of who he was and what he did, I understand why many loathe him, and might feel a special revulsion for the way he is lauded, these days with nary a mention of the murder rap. I feel some of those pangs myself...
But I do think that in Lewis' case, the life that he has led after the incident actually demonstrates that he is a changed man. He gives enormous amounts of his time and energy off the field. He is a mentor to literally hundreds of NFL players around the league who might end up in a similar situation to the one he was in. He apparently texts and speaks daily with dozens of players from nearly every NFL team. He gives motivational speeches and makes appearances at hundreds of community events, most of them unpaid. Some of this may just be an eyeball test, but I get the feeling from Lewis' open nature and the things he says that he is genuinely contrite in a way I don't see from, say, Mike Vick.
And he is genuinely an extremely hard worker. He puts more time in the weight room, more time in conditioning, and more time in the film room than anyone else. He's earned every inch of his football success - remember the knock on him was that he didn't have the size or speed to play at the NFL level. He's also a remarkable leader - his teammates absolutely worship him.
Anyways, I think he's a relatively changed man, and I've spend the last 10+ years cheering pretty loud when he came in and did that dance. Albeit with a slight pang of guilt.
I wish he'd have retired a few seasons ago, but he's been pretty fucking awesome.
I'd rather have dinner with Ray Ray than that sniveling bitch Tom Brady, btw.
well, if you bring Vick and Tom Brady into the comparison then i totally agree lol8[1].gif
post #1015 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

NE hung 40 on them and Seattle 50. If that's playing well I'd like to know what playing bad is.
Frank Gore is no AP, and the Packers solved AP's riddle last week.
Packers. But it will be close.

Well, they did manage to pretty much ass rape Brady when it counted.

And Gore is no AP but the Niners O-Line and QB is not scrub central and Joe Webb either.
post #1016 of 1663
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Well, they did manage to pretty much ass rape Brady when it counted.
And Gore is no AP but the Niners O-Line and QB is not scrub central and Joe Webb either.

Niners really only have 1 receiver who is the quality of the Packers' 5. (+1 DeJuan also racked up a few yards last week) And Aaron Rodgers vs. Kapernick (sp)? C'mon.

Suggest the usual avi bet...
post #1017 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

Niners really only have 1 receiver who is the quality of the Packers' 5. (+1 DeJuan also racked up a few yards last week) And Aaron Rodgers vs. Kapernick (sp)? C'mon.
Suggest the usual avi bet...
Sure, one week, no spread winner takes all.
post #1018 of 1663
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

Niners really only have 1 receiver who is the quality of the Packers' 5. (+1 DeJuan also racked up a few yards last week) And Aaron Rodgers vs. Kapernick (sp)? C'mon.
Suggest the usual avi bet...

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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Sure, one week, no spread winner takes all.

post #1019 of 1663
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Sure, one week, no spread winner takes all.

You got it.
post #1020 of 1663
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Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport

Redskins QB Robert Griffin III will undergo total reconstruction of knee for complete tear of ACL and LCL. Recovery projection: 6-8 mos.

Dr. James Andrews will perform surgery in about 6 hours. Diagnosis already made that ACL graft of @RGIII's 2009 surgery is complete tear.

Damn.
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