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post #46 of 107
Usian Bolt is a total fucking beast. Greatest is subjective but swimming has too many fucking events. What Usain did is far better than Phelps. IMO of course.
post #47 of 107
I think Jesse Owens has to enter the conversation somewhere too. Obliterated records that stood for many years. Won gold in the spints AND the long jump. Not to mention the statement of sticking it to both Hitler and the despicable racist FDR.
post #48 of 107
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Stitches, great thread by the way. I noticed that you've called it "Michael Phelps is the greatest Olympian of all time". I would argue that "Best" and "Greatest" Olympian are not necessarily the same thing. A great Olympian is, in my mind, not just the someone who is "higher faster stronger" (best) but is someone who also demonstrates the the values of the Olympics (Excellence, Respect and Friendship) as these are qualities that to my mind make Olympians "Great"
Phelps / Bolt might be the "best" Olympic swimmer/sprinter at the moment and certainly display plenty of "Excellence" but I'm not totally convinced about the Respect and the Friendship (though Bolt seemed pretty friendly with those Swedish Hand-ballers after the 100m cool.gif

thanks smudge, and that is an interesting point.

while it is an important distinction, i meant only in regards to competing in ones sport, not their character. but that is an important aspect, especially as a role model, and in the olympics where one is supposed to be "sporting" about their sport.
post #49 of 107
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cause this thread is dumb. michael phelps is probably the best olympic swimmer, but using medal count to crown him the best olympian evAR is not very smart. he's never dominated his sport to the level other people have. karelin is an excellent example.

Hard to tell in 1 on 1 sports sometimes, since the quality of competition is a huge factor.

Phelps set seven world records during the 2008 games, and held the world record in the 8th event too. That's a pretty high level of domination. What more can you really ask for?
post #50 of 107
how about NEVER losing in his entire career in any international competition, until his very last match? or going a decade without the opposition even scoring a single point on him? that was Karelin. plus he had this signature move that if you got thrown and landed awkwardly it looked like you could easily get killed or paralyzed. that intimidation factor counts for something I guess... tongue.gif
post #51 of 107
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what is a "faster pool"? confused.gif

Make the pool faster by decreasing side wake (make the side of the pool reflect less waves), increasing the angle of the starting blocks, deeper water (I think that's regulated though).

Greatest Olympian? I'm going to name the longest dominance here. Bridget Fischer, women's kayak, 12 medals, never less than a silver, over 6 games, over 7 olympiads (1984 boycott, career 1980-2004).

I'll add in:
Aladár Gerevich in fencing for the same feat of 6 gold medals in 6 different games, except he spanned from 1932 to 1960 - skipping 2 games due to WWII, also insane.

I was thinking that someone should actually write a good article about this - except put forth arguments for a few athletes, some who were untouchable for a while (Phelps, Bolt), reigning champions for a generation of athletes (anyone who medals in 4 olympics really), and greatest Olympian in sort of a holistic sense, as Smudge put it.
post #52 of 107
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^^ that is what i was looking for ^^

im not nearly the historian enough to bring that up, but i would very interested to hear about that kind of stuff.
post #53 of 107
Also worth mentioning is Clara Hughes (Canadian bias showing here), the first athlete to win multiple summer and winter medals. (Cycling/speed skating)
post #54 of 107

Shane Gould... only swimmer, male or female, to hold every single world freestyle swimming record from 100m to 1500m (achieved this at the age of 15); no track and field athlete could do or ever has done the same. Also won 3 Olympic gold, 1 silver and 1 bronze again at age 15 in 1972 (Munich games) and then promptly retired from competitive swimming age 16.

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Edwin Moses?

Good call
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Karelin is without a doubt, absolutely the greatest Olympian of all time. Bolt is the only other man that deserves mention in the same sentence.

Another good call
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Water that has had an electrical charge, either positive or negative, added to it by an anode (-) and a cathode (+). What happens then regarding is that the two waters, one negative and the other positive, are then separated between a membrane. Alkaline or Ionized Water is hexagonal (6-sided) in shape. The harmonic distortion of waves gets better buffered and absorbed and that keeps resistance down.

You had me going until you said "water"
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I wish I remembered chemistry class because I have no idea if that is made up.
Actually, I am pretty sure it is but I just can't be certain

Your instincts do not betray you. Although, you can increase wake effects with a shallower pool or narrower lanes (which conversely also allows for easier drafting). However, I think the 'faster pool' comments really mean 'better equipment' - iirc there was some controversy a few years back about a suit that put all the old WR's in danger due to lower drag through the water. Likewise the swimming caps and their tight bullet shape.
post #56 of 107
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why did he retire?
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why did he retire?

She (as a 16 year old girl) retired because she got tired of training and competing and also supposedly because "boys don't date girl with green hair" (chlorine effect on hair)

 

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see: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/swimming/the-race-is-never-over-for-olympic-superfish-20120321-1vkec.html


Edited by merkur - 8/8/12 at 7:52am
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She (as a 15 year old girl) retired because she got tired of training and competing and also supposedly because "boys don't date girl with green hair" (chlorine effect on hair)



see: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/swimming/the-race-is-never-over-for-olympic-superfish-20120321-1vkec.html

You should really merkur this. No self-respecting man should know this much about a 15-year old..
post #59 of 107
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She (as a 15 year old girl) retired because she got tired of training and competing and also supposedly because "boys don't date girl with green hair" (chlorine effect on hair)



see: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/swimming/the-race-is-never-over-for-olympic-superfish-20120321-1vkec.html

oops. very interesting though. thanks.

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i had thought that "faster pool" just meant that the particular crop of swimmers were faster and better as a whole than previous crops.
post #60 of 107
This type of argument is always problematic--comparisons across sports and eras is impossible.

That said, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the greatest athlete of all time as potentially the greatest Olympian of all time: Jim Thorpe.
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