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Nice link, Unbel. Found it very helpful.
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Thank dieworkwear!, he's the one who wrote it...
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Surprisingly, I have all. Well, except for "black stitch caps". And I don't see a reason to own one. Why do you think it's necessary?
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Super CBD formal shoe, funerals, job interviews, weddings, etc.
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Can some of you hop over to my OneShirt thread? I'm sure there will be lots of virtual vomiting.
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We are now back on topic.
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So why is the black in grenadine or knit as opposed to something like twill?

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Two reasons:

1) Because the black knit has for decades been the universal "goes with everything" tie. It was, for instance, the only tie the legendary George Frazier ever wore. It's the tie of choice of James Bond (in the books). It was the go-to tie for generations of men who only had one tie. It is, IMO, the ONLY tie that literally works with anything.

2) A rougher, nubbier texture is more versatile than twill which, while not satin, is smooth enought that it is not great for odd jackets. You can wear a knit (or gren) with a suit easily but a black twill something less formal would be out of place. As a general rule, a less formal tie can more easily be worn with a more formal coat while a more formal tie looks out of place with a less formal coat. Which is derived from another general rule, which is that the "larger" or more "dominant" the garment, the more formal it can be and still take informal accessories, whereas trying to dress up an in formal base with formal accessories (wedding tie and spats with tweed) looks stupid.
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Two reasons:

1) Because the black knit has for decades been the universal "goes with everything" tie. It was, for instance, the only tie the legendary George Frazier ever wore. It's the tie of choice of James Bond (in the books). It was the go-to tie for generations of men who only had one tie. It is, IMO, the ONLY tie that literally works with anything.

2) A rougher, nubbier texture is more versatile than twill which, while not satin, is smooth enought that it is not great for odd jackets. You can wear a knit (or gren) with a suit easily but a black twill something less formal would be out of place. As a general rule, a less formal tie can more easily be worn with a more formal coat while a more formal tie looks out of place with a less formal coat. Which is derived from another general rule, which is that the "larger" or more "dominant" the garment, the more formal it can be and still take informal accessories, whereas trying to dress up an in formal base with formal accessories (wedding tie and spats with tweed) looks stupid.

 

What about if it was a solid repp weave -- bolder than a standard twill?

 

Still wouldn't beat a knit for me, but I could see it working. A striped repp tie works with more-or-less everything, right?
 

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Knit is still better. Seriously, if I could only own one tie and had to wear it whenever I wore a tie, it would be black knit. Navy knit would be second. Everything else a distant third.

And I say that as someone who likes tie variety.
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I have a pair of dress chinos but I don't really wear them. I kind of substitute in linen trousers in summer and flannel in winter. I think it's a pretty good trade.
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It strikes me as odd that you would wear a knit with a suit eh.gif

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Knit is still better. Seriously, if I could only own one tie and had to wear it whenever I wore a tie, it would be black knit. Navy knit would be second. Everything else a distant third.

And I say that as someone who likes tie variety.

This warms my cold, flinty heart.
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It strikes me as odd that you would wear a knit with a suit eh.gif
I don't do it that often even though I like it and see no problem with it. The reason, I suppose, is that I have so many ties that I would only wear with suits and never with jackets so when putting on a suit, I always reach for those.
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Knit is still better. Seriously, if I could only own one tie and had to wear it whenever I wore a tie, it would be black knit. Navy knit would be second. Everything else a distant third.

And I say that as someone who likes tie variety.


I can dig it.

 

How much of a difference between knit tie width and lapel width is okay, in your book? I tend to wear about 3.5" lapels -- would a 2.25" knit tie look too skinny? I think I'd prefer something between 2.5" and 3".

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