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post #61 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

But I don't work there. I do what I want. Don't you wish you could do that?
And I have already answered whnay's question if you or he cared to read the thread.
Thx for contributing.

OK, I have, per your earlier prompting, read that you wore this on a Sunday afternoon.

I am happy to leave others to comment on that combo's Sunday-ness, afternoon-ness, or whatever. But surely you could have intoduced it as an "NORE's fun Sunday thing" rather than re-positioning it as a challenge to the alleged SF groupthink in favour of less "interesting" clothes?
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post #62 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:15pm
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I take exception to your comparing my fit to that of a woman. I get dressed in 5 minutes-literally. I go to the closet and pull out what I will wear in an almost instantaneous fashion. Now I have been married twice my current is 11 years, my former 7-8 years and I have been with many women. I always hung with the "fly girls" even if dudes just thought I was gay. But trust me on this, I don't know where you live but in NYC the game is different. That's primarily why I dislike the paths other NYC members have takes on my fits; Foo with the OneShoe, Manton with his perpetual navy suits (every time I saw him IRL), gdl leans more toward my spectrum. But still in all, you have to take everything into context. I don't know where you're from but in NYC the navy grenadine is pain boring. Chicks don't dig that. Maybe I'm too hip for the stodgy crowd here but don't go forcing that on the young up-and-comings. That's all I'm saying.

You mean to tell me that you can pick that lime green tie or that green/pink tattersall shirt - and then blindly pull items from your closet that complement it? Really? And you're - what - coming into your 40's?

Well, okay then.
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post #63 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

So please, dress me according to the rules. Same suit, but you choose everything else.

Nuh uh, not falling for that trap.

I cannot tweak your outfit because it is unsalvageable. It needs a full reboot. I don't like to dress people from the ground up because I think that misses the point of real style. And whatever I might prescribe, you are likely to accuse of being simply according to rote rule. Instead, I gave you some things to think about and a way to re-conceptualize your approach. That's the best I can do at this point. Make a good faith effort in that direction first, then I will be happy to help you tweak.

Keep in mind, broad consensus does not necessarily indicate blind groupthink. It might reflect a shared wisdom you simply haven't received yet.
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post #64 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

But I don't work there. I do what I want. Don't you wish you could do that?
And I have already answered whnay's question if you or he cared to read the thread.
Thx for contributing.

To be fair, I can almost guarantee that whnay.'s question was rhetorical. Nothing you answered could have made him reflect and say, "Oh, okay then. Bravo."

What he really meant was: "Jeezus H. Christ. You cannot wear that anywhere."
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post #65 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by TM79 View Post

Why post an outfit like that which will obviously receive very polarized comments and then be so aggro with everyone who replies?
If it was possible to make a negative amount of sense, that's what this would make ...

I posted it because I really liked it. Not for any other reason.
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post #66 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:30pm
"Chicks don't dig that. Maybe I'm too hip for the stodgy crowd here but don't go forcing that on the young up-and-comings."

"Chicks" "dig" a varied mix of height, looks, build, charm, humour, confidence, a bit more charm, intelligence, earning potential, and sexual performance. Much in the same way that men "dig" "chicks". In both cases, especially the "young up-and-comings", the stuff we talk about here is largely irrelevant.
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post #67 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Jackie Treehorn View Post

I think the more interesting discussion isn't so much "do I believe in The Rules," as it is "Am I a style absolutist or a style relativist?" In other words, do I believe in a universally applicable set of capital-C Correct attire for every situation, regardless of geography, culture, climate, age, or context? Or do I believe that every man should adapt and adopt his own rules to his circumstances?
IMO, neither of these options is the "to hell with the rules, I'mma do me!" mentality. Rather, both approaches accept that every man should have a code of some sort. The first approach adheres to a code laid out by tradition, much of which has an Anglo-American antecedent. The second approach generally reckons with the first approach, but makes allowances and substitutions in a consistent and coherent way.
This is the Jeeves and Wooster dilemma, if you will. The Wooster path is ostensibly more creative, but it is fraught with more danger.

Thank you for this.
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post #68 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Nuh uh, not falling for that trap.
I cannot tweak your outfit because it is unsalvageable. It needs a full reboot. I don't like to dress people from the ground up because I think that misses the point of real style. And whatever I might prescribe, you are likely to accuse of being simply according to rote rule. Instead, I gave you some things to think about and a way to re-conceptualize your approach. That's the best I can do at this point. Make a good faith effort in that direction first, then I will be happy to help you tweak.
Keep in mind, broad consensus does not necessarily indicate blind groupthink. It might reflect a shared wisdom you simply haven't received yet.

OK so I am ignorant because I choose do do what I like, no matter what "the rules" dictate? Now we are getting somewhere. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

To be fair, I can almost guarantee that whnay.'s question was rhetorical. Nothing you answered could have made him reflect and say, "Oh, okay then. Bravo."
What he really meant was: "Jeezus H. Christ. You cannot wear that anywhere."

Foo, I really appreciate your interacting with me on this. Truly I do.

I would like if whnay could expound on his earlier question, even if rhetorical.
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post #69 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:35pm
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To everyone who has participated thus far, I appreciate your involvement. I really do. I agree with an earlier statement re the fact that this is a forum of discussion. We are having a discussion. There will inevitably be disagreements. But therein we find purpose. Thank you all, sincerely.
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post #70 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:36pm
Nowadays some do over analyse as you postulate and that is to be decried. However in the heyday of this Forum we discussed. That sadly is the downhill spiral we are in due to the populist nay commercial approach now being taken.
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post #71 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:43pm

igent vs. Nore.  Fight!

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post #72 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:43pm

p.s., i think u look fine, but the picture colors are washed out and i am actually an colorblind.

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post #73 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:44pm
I think what's missing in this discussion is the personality of the person wearing the outfit.

While I understand that NORE's ensemble isn't for most people, and certainly not my cup of tea, I can see how it would work for someone who likes bold colors and likes attention. (Kinda like Ozwald Boteng stuff.)

I prefer people pushing boundaries of style, even if it's not something I like, simply for the variety. Grays and blues on everyone gets boring.
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post #74 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

"Chicks don't dig that. Maybe I'm too hip for the stodgy crowd here but don't go forcing that on the young up-and-comings."
"Chicks" "dig" a varied mix of height, looks, build, charm, humour, confidence, a bit more charm, intelligence, earning potential, and sexual performance. Much in the same way that men "dig" "chicks". In both cases, especially the "young up-and-comings", the stuff we talk about here is largely irrelevant.

OK, I'll bite. I'm 6'4" tall. Brown skin with reddish hues. Of American Indian and Caribbean descent. Handsome, (the Latinas call me 'fino', to the blacks that would be 'fine'). I have a charm and wit about me and I exude confidence. Also, I can dress and even if I wore pink pants in a rough neighborhood (which I have), dudes leave me alone. I am the man. Women flirt with me on the job and in common areas. I don't have to follow sartorial rules, whatever I wear, they want to strip me out of it. You think I'm full of it? OK. But I don't buy this navy/brown grenadine BS. You guys did it to Spoo. Not to me, no sir.
Edited by NORE - 8/1/12 at 5:09pm
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post #75 of 186
8/1/12 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

OK so I am ignorant because I choose do do what I like, no matter what "the rules" dictate? Now we are getting somewhere. Thanks.

Uhh, no. Please re-read my posts. I really tried to be helpful and give you ways to improve on your own. I gave you some theory and concepts to think about. I am not telling you to do something or change merely because some rules say so.
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Foo, I really appreciate your interacting with me on this. Truly I do.
I would like if whnay could expound on his earlier question, even if rhetorical.

Sure, no problem.
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