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post #16 of 186
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

I mean, c'mon. Take a look at some of the threads recently started. Some folks are coming here with genuine questions and we are still cramming these stupid 'rules' down their throats. Now I will admit, some people have no clue but c'mon, son. Some of the stuff I've read here is just ridiculous. It seems like the members people tend to worship on here are actually the most 'safe' dressers which equally makes them boring.
I say live a little. Live a lot! If what you put on makes you feel good then go out feeling good and knowing that you look good. I am of the belief that a person wearing a burlap sack that exudes confidence will always look better than a bespoke fitted dude with no panache.
Check it, while I am aware that many of you would never wear this I posted this in a thread and it was moderated out:

Why? Probably because of the colors. But I felt [and know I looked] like a boss. Now I'm not mad, not everyone wants do this or some of the other stuff I do, but I still say try something different. Live a little.
If things keep on the way they are going, all of the listeners will be wearing navy or gray suits with white or light blue shirts, solid navy or brown ties, navy socks, gunboats and a TV fold. C'mon, son. C'mon Styleforum. Where's the style?

I am sorry NORE, but that get-up made me throw up a bit in my mouth. Ruined a very good Corton-Charlemagne
Edited by R.O. Thornhill - 8/1/12 at 2:04pm
post #17 of 186
I believe the colors actually do go well together and everything "works" within the context of its neighbors, but it is harmonious in a very showy, peacock-y fashion, as though the neighborhood were Miami Beach. I'm not as quick to condemn it as some others, but you mention the style in StyleForum, and, speaking at least for myself, I believe true style is more subtle and doesn't look like it's trying so hard. It's the same as when you see prom kids wearing black shirts and red ties with red squares to be "different" and "make a splash." Granted, your execution of the concept is miles and miles better, but it has its roots in attention-seeking.
post #18 of 186
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

The colors are obnoxious, yes. But that is not the worst of it. The outfit stumbles most because you have used your tie and PS each to directly and exactly reference the colors in your shirt. This is bad practice as it fails to create an interesting and balanced range of color, contrast, saturation, etc. You can sometimes get away with a limited universe of colors in an outfit when those colors are not so eye-searing. But here, you have hot pink and lime green. And that's it. So, it's not just obnoxious, its rote.

This is a good explanation of why I didn't like it, but also I can't imagine ever liking the tie or pocket square in any context. Or the shirt. I know your question was directed at foo.gif, but if given the opportunity to change only one thing...hmm....maybe swap out the tie for a dark brown grenadine or knit? Allow me one more change and I could change your shirt to a light blue shirt in rough weave, then if you give me a third move, I could torch your pocket square and replace it with any number of other things. foo.gif's favored cream silk might even be a good choice.
post #19 of 186
This is the most ironic thread on the forum...
post #20 of 186
We no longer "discuss"

We no longer "analyze"

We simply post and wait to be told whether the combination falls on the "Approved" or "Rejected" side of the SF fence. This place is great for technical detail, sartorial history and the basics of fit, but in terms of style? It just breeds clones.

The only analogy I have is between a library and a cult. Information freely offered without bias VS A culture that educates with a specific agenda.
post #21 of 186
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Originally Posted by R.O. Thornhill View Post

I am sorry NORE, but that get-up made me throw up a bit in my mouth. Ruined a very good Corton-Charlemagne

Sorry to disappoint. I will continue how I feel, however.
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

I believe the colors actually do go well together and everything "works" within the context of its neighbors, but it is harmonious in a very showy, peacock-y fashion, as though the neighborhood were Miami Beach. I'm not as quick to condemn it as some others, but you mention the style in StyleForum, and, speaking at least for myself, I believe true style is more subtle and doesn't look like it's trying so hard. It's the same as when you see prom kids wearing black shirts and red ties with red squares to be "different" and "make a splash." Granted, your execution of the concept is miles and miles better, but it has its roots in attention-seeking.

Thanks, Dougie. I guess context plays a role here, too. So this was worn on a Sunday morning/afternoon in late spring/early summer. I thought the additions of the mint tie, shirt and square were a refreshing spring/summer addition to an otherwise black & white (functionally gray) suit. And I also realize that my pic focuses on the smallest parts of my fit. For instance, IRL or from say, 5 ft away you would see vast waves of this gray cloth with only a small amount of shirt & tie showing, and the square is even smaller than that. I bought the pieces separately and I am not one of those dudes who picks up a shirt then goes looking for a matching tie and square. It just happened this way. I pick up things that catch my eye and I like-even if I only leave the store with one item (usually what happens).

I should also note that this is a proper dress shirt complete with no chest pocket, no collar buttons and a stiff collar. It is a shame it doesn't fit me anymore, I have been searching for a replacement. I have since given the tie away also, as it didn't really work with anything else. But I posted this fit to make a statement: that navy/brown Grenadines are not welcome in my stable for the reason as stated below:
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

This is a good explanation of why I didn't like it, but also I can't imagine ever liking the tie or pocket square in any context. Or the shirt. I know your question was directed at foo.gif, but if given the opportunity to change only one thing...hmm....maybe swap out the tie for a dark brown grenadine or knit? Allow me one more change and I could change your shirt to a light blue shirt in rough weave, then if you give me a third move, I could torch your pocket square and replace it with any number of other things. foo.gif's favored cream silk might even be a good choice.
post #22 of 186
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Originally Posted by Blackhood View Post

We no longer "discuss"
We no longer "analyze"
We simply post and wait to be told whether the combination falls on the "Approved" or "Rejected" side of the SF fence. This place is great for technical detail, sartorial history and the basics of fit, but in terms of style? It just breeds clones.
The only analogy I have is between a library and a cult. Information freely offered without bias VS A culture that educates with a specific agenda.
Oh Jesus...
post #23 of 186
The reason for not liking grenadines is that I suggested it? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand your post.

The tie looks more lime than mint. In the colors it looks like a neon-y kind of lime green to me. Mint is like this:

http://vandafineclothing.com/store/101-mint-shantung-spots.html
post #24 of 186
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Originally Posted by Blackhood View Post

We no longer "discuss"
We no longer "analyze"
We simply post and wait to be told whether the combination falls on the "Approved" or "Rejected" side of the SF fence. This place is great for technical detail, sartorial history and the basics of fit, but in terms of style? It just breeds clones.
The only analogy I have is between a library and a cult. Information freely offered without bias VS A culture that educates with a specific agenda.

A library has both a specific agenda and a worked-in bias; this is why not every book that exists is present (to go beyond that what exists reflects the bias present in the publishing world), as easy to find and certain classifications exists (a book is in a section and not another, there is a logic to what sections were chosen). This isn't really important though because what MCers should be looking for is not impartiality but benevolent partiality to a tradition and its practices.
post #25 of 186
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

The reason for not liking grenadines is that I suggested it? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand your post.
The tie looks more lime than mint. In the colors it looks like a neon-y kind of lime green to me. Mint is like this:
http://vandafineclothing.com/store/101-mint-shantung-spots.html

No. Because it is part of SF group think. How many members sporting navy and brown Grenadines even knew what those were before SF? I like textures ties, but I'm not a sheep.
post #26 of 186
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

A library has both a specific agenda and a worked-in bias; this is why not every book that exists is present (to go beyond that it reflects the bias present in the publishing world), as easy to find and certain classifications exists (a book is in a section and not another, there is a logic to what sections were chosen). This isn't really important though because what MCers should be looking for is not impartiality but benevolent partiality to a tradition and its practices.

I'm interested in your thoughts on my fit pic above.
post #27 of 186
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

No. Because it is part of SF group think. How many members sporting navy and brown Grenadines even knew what those were before SF? I like textures ties, but I'm not a sheep.

Do you mean that you want to wear something that no one else is wearing? Or you want to come up with it on your own? You asked for suggestions so...if you want something less specific to SF, then the knit....
post #28 of 186
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Do you mean that you want to wear something that no one else is wearing? Or you want to come up with it on your own? You asked for suggestions so...if you want something less specific to SF, then the knit....

And Bingo was his name-o
post #29 of 186
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

I'm interested in your thoughts on my fit pic above.

Colorama-vomit, but you already knew that as I think you posted it before. The rest depends on context (social aspects) and your skin/hair/eye colour + body shape, the encounter between a morphology and garments (aesthetic aspects). You have to understand that we are working from bourgeois good taste in the western menswear tradition here. I do not follow that mindset nor the philosophy surrounding it (the way I choose clothing is a collage of references -including menswear and certain subcultures-, narrative elements, and sometimes challenges of aesthetic norms) but that's, once again, not useful to the MC audience.
post #30 of 186
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

I truly appreciate the time you took to answer, thanks. What pieces would you change if you only could change 1? 2? And to what?

To be honest, I would toss all three: the shirt, square, and tie.

The short of it is that they are ugly according to the "rules" of classic dress. But the more substantial explanation is that the rules outlaw them for good reason: they are incredibly difficult to wear well with other elements that aren't exactly the same. That's why you got stuck pairing each one to another with exactingly precise references to itself (hot pink --> hot pink, lime green --> lime green). I could go on and on about what's comfortable to the eyes, what occurs in nature, etc., but I think you understand that these are loud, searing, attention-getting colors. They are chosen for commercial signage precisely to be obnoxious. I suppose if you want to annoy people with your outfit, then that's a good thing. But if you want to look good, why would you want to mimmic a neon sign?

I would replace them with wardrobe staples that can be easily mixed and matched. That means some boring blue shirts and ties in colors that don't hurt to look at. The point is not to dress boring or in an overly prescriptive fashion, but to establish a sound foundation for your wardrobe. Starting with boring, sturdy building blocks will open up a diversity of options going forward--just as many as a hot pink and lime green shirt close off.
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