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post #61 of 467
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post


Works for the Donald, works for me.

laugh.gif not sure its working for him either.
post #62 of 467
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Doc: I knew you wouldn’t like this one.

Adareal: would need to see the coats but as a general rule a small pattern shirt works with a large patterned jacket, especially if you wear a solid tie. Small pattern shirt with a small texture coat does not sound so horrible, but why not try a large patterned shirt? As ever, wherever white doesn’t work, solid blue almost certainly does, and sometimes pink is even better than blue. I think the best shirt with a cream jacket is blue, pink is also great. White is not terrible necessarily but the tie HAS to be dark.

Dieworkwear: most of those pics are good. Remember, my OP was the baseline, I didn’t go into the “advance” exceptions. I would point out a few things, though. Contrast the second vox pic with the will pic. Will looks better, IMO, not just because Vox’s tie and coat are a bit matchy but because Will sensibly wears a dark tie with all that lightness elsewhere. Also, do please note the colors will is using are precisely the colors that I said always work with white. The pic after that is “correct” but banal, IMO. It’s basically all suiting tones done in an odd jacket ensemble. I typically don’t like that. I dress for business, or for something else, not businesslike with casual garments. Next one is fine, not my thing.; The one after that, the gun club coat, would really be better off with a non-white shirt. Next one looks like a blue shirt. On after that, bearded chap, again fine but note again that it fits to a “T” what I described in my OP. The gun club after that, no, would be better with something else, and the one after that (same coat), the shirt doesn’t look white—and WHY IS HE WEARING CLIP ON SUSPENDERS??? I love that Fellows drawing and have copied it many times.

Man of Lint. I don’t think you quite get what I was saying. I don’t dispute for a moment that Doc is right about the historical correctness. One the knocks on me when I used to post more (that is, as much as I am posting now) was that all I did was look at old sources, treat them like the Decalogue, and declaim “thou shalt” and “thou shalt not.” So I find it amusing that now I am being criticized for not being historically literal enough. Also, I specifically state that white was always best for formal day wear.

Jackie Treehorn: what I am trying to do here is not merely communicate the old rules (I have done that, at great length) but to add a layer of normative discussion. As in, I think this looks good and this looks bad no matter what the historical rule was. I am careful to state the difference between a “discovered” rule and my “revealed’ opinion. Just read carefully, you will see that the distinction is always made, and if you don’t find it, ask and I will clarify.

Afreegeek, to your charge that I never post pics: just go away.

Blahman: Radcliff looks awful.
post #63 of 467

This thread needs pictures of dos and don'ts...

post #64 of 467
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This thread needs pictures of dos and don'ts...
trump = don't
post #65 of 467
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Many colors look absolutely terrible with white: yellow, orange, rust, lavender, purple, nearly all greens. Even red, a very common paring with white, always looks better on a blue background (not that you should be wearing true red ties) and burgundy or maroon looks better against pink.
So does work with white? Above all navy. Black. Gray. Silver. Combinations thereof. Certain very pale (I mean VERY pale, so pale it takes a second to recognize what they really are) golds and greens. Any shade of blue, especially the light blues which look best against white.

City/Country styling/context aside, above it seems that you do recognize that white is a "cool" colors (goes well with navy, black, white, silver; terrible with yellow, orange, rust, etc.).

What puzzles is the immense efforts at describing what white might look good with in details, but missing the fundamental of how it might look good on any one man (their natural colorings).

BTW, white is your color.

- M
post #66 of 467
I've always been of the mind that the appropriateness of a white shirt is directly proportionate to the ensemble's proximity to black tie. The further away on the formality scale, the worse a white shirt fits.
post #67 of 467
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I've always been of the mind that the appropriateness of a white shirt is directly proportionate to the ensemble's proximity to black tie. The further away on the formality scale, the worse a white shirt fits.
not a bad way of looking at it
post #68 of 467
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Doc: I knew you wouldn’t like this one.

Bah! That's all I get??

Here's the thing: Secretly I agree with you, for the most part. I find white so interesting in that it's great for beginners, in that it rarely looks bad, but it's challenging to do really, really well. It's both the easiest shirt color to wear and the hardest. When I reach for a white shirt, it often involves an almost Foo-like consideration of color, contrast, saturation, etc. It's work, man. But done right, the white shirt looks effortless, whether by true indifference or by calculated design. Nothing better.
post #69 of 467
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not a bad way of looking at it

No, that's a terrible way of looking at it. Maybe "the closer to black tie, the more critical the white shirt becomes."
post #70 of 467
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

No, that's a terrible way of looking at it. Maybe "the closer to black tie, the more critical the white shirt becomes."
Kind of yin-yang, flipsides of the same point, but different ...
post #71 of 467
Yea, only my way doesn't suggest white becomes inappropriate, which it doesn't. That's silly.
post #72 of 467
I don't think it becomes inappropriate. Just harder to do. As for the tweed thing. I had a black and white tweed herringbone suit that just screamed out for a white shirt. I always wore it that way with a black tie. Some might say that black and white tweed really comes across as basically gray and a light blue shirt would work, but I didn't like it.
post #73 of 467
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Manton, I'm not sure I agree. I think a white shirt is often the best choice when it comes to blue jackets and grey trousers, even if worn in the day. Rather than "schoolboy," I think "Old Money." In any case, I think this thread needs more photos.
These seem to work fine, IMO. Even optimally so

This doesn't work because there are very few things uglier than matching white with dirty white (so light beige, yellowish white, bone etc). I often face the same problems with a white leather jacket I own that has absolutely no yellow in it but is rather icy white, cannot pair it with all my dirty white Margiela boots. I also warn people against white shirt+white pants or jeans, it is an awful look as the two white fight against each other. It worked in Clockword Orange I guess. Oh yeah and Vox Tintin haircut is shameful.


Same problem, are the pants white btw? Even worst. I really like Vox jacket and tie in this pic but white shirt fucks it up.


This is one of the ugliest getups I have ever seen, all those competing pale colours and some black(?) tie and ps to really fuck it up. This is the type of outfits most prom kids would already be wise enough to avoid. NEVER WEAR DIRTY WHITE/YELLOWISH WHITE/LIGHT BEIGE WHITH WHITE, ISN'T THAT FUCKING CLEAR YOU ASSHOLES!


I would like it if the kid learned to tie his tie, WTF!


Is this a publicity shot for wankerism? Fuck you and your spread collar and your lame little hat and your retarded pose!


Jacket too pale for white shirt, wtf. Of course who cares about the jacket when the dude is wearing geriatric italian orthopedic shoes, 7 inches cuff that look like they're loaded with lead and a tie that is wisely running away from this awful mess.


Business dude, ok. I guess navy blazer+grey pants+white shirt+rep tie+brown or black captoes is basically like a suit these days for pretty much everyone except two dudes on styleforum. I hate blazers but I rather like the general idea of this outfit.


Ok, business dude look works. Very office though, would like it tieless in another environment, especially since he has a good face.



Everything is washed out in pale mediocrity, this is truly awful


My, my those drawings look so dapper good chap (who cares).

Comments in the quoted pics above, I merely went for the ones you said were good (first block).
Edited by Fuuma - 8/2/12 at 7:49am
post #74 of 467
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I am asking that those reading me leave this part aside anyway as I do believe an ethics of dressing is exactly what is needed in MC and, in a sense, what out readers are asking for.
A decent ( and non-Sartrean, that dickhead) approach to Heidegger is that he didn't so much destroy philosophy that came before him, especially the Descartes/Subject-Object thread that lead to phenomenology/Husserl but rather point that that while the subject/object way of observing the world was appropriate and possible (*that's the hard sciences approach) there was a pre-conscious sociological process at play that 1) meant we didn't need to go for Husserl's (perfect) idea that our perceptions were very real and enough 2) didn't need to question if the world was real because we were already in it and it was an integrated whole and we made sense of it that way (we didn't observe the hammer but used it without much thought toward a purpose and perceived it in relation to certain objects, social processes and end goals, being a carpenter, using nails, going to work etc.). You will in fact, coming back to Aristotle, note that he has in common with Heidegger a profoundly modern approach that is linked to the social sciences and not to the hard sciences like Descartes and his ilk. Aristotle can be used as both the father of very logical conservatism and a useful reference for the very modern to post-modern social sciences approach so he is much richer and valuable in my mind than I usually give him credit for.
For a month or so early this year, I attended a discussion group on Heidegger's Being and Time in the living room of German philosophy professor born in 1928. It wasn't so much that was into Heidegger, but I was invited by someone I respected and I knew that there are very few men like this still walking the earth and I would benefit from his presence. It ended when his health failed-one night we showed up and the doorman said the Professor isn't feeling well and can't see you. We sent up two emissaries to wish him well and the class was cancelled.
post #75 of 467
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Originally Posted by mmkn View Post

City/Country styling/context aside, above it seems that you do recognize that white is a "cool" colors (goes well with navy, black, white, silver; terrible with yellow, orange, rust, etc.).
What puzzles is the immense efforts at describing what white might look good with in details, but missing the fundamental of how it might look good on any one man (their natural colorings).
BTW, white is your color.
- M

Except it is not a cool colour. Pure white is neutral. If anything whites would be considered slightly warm from being slightly off/yellow :P
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Blahman: Radcliff looks awful.

Whether he looks a bit of a cock should not be a distraction from the fact that there's nothing inherently wrong with the yellow tie against the white shirt.
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