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post #46 of 522
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Who comes up with ideas like white doesn't go with greens and yellows etc? Or rather how do you come up with these? Seems rather like subjective pseudoscience to me

Foo and Manton reached sartorial Nirvana.
post #47 of 522
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Who comes up with ideas like white doesn't go with greens and yellows etc? Or rather how do you come up with these? Seems rather like subjective pseudoscience to me

i imagine most of these ideas are found in various different books from authorities on classical mens dress.

i do hear white and yellow though as an issue. i think maybe they are too close in tone, and all the lightness and brightness might just end up washing out the whole look. whereas yellow on blue, is both a pretty combination, and provides proper contrast.

just my guess.
post #48 of 522
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Foo and Manton reached sartorial Nirvana.

i have been told that only vox has reached sartorial nirvana.
post #49 of 522

My favourite shirts are all white.

post #50 of 522

Here's something cool to try, if you dare.  I have a wonderful slim white Kiton shirt. It has nice high arm holes and a small spread collar. It has sort of a pique fabric. You would say it's a modern, less formal white shirt, but still in the formal family. When it comes back from being laundered, all pressed and everything - looking new, it's a thing of beauty.  But one day I decided to wash and by hand and let it hang dry so it would have a slight wrinkled "used" look. I wore it with a pair of awesome light grey (almost blue) La Vera wool pants. Topped it off with brown shoes (sometimes cordovan) and light grey cashmere socks.  I got lots of compliments. I think what it does is take an item people see as dressy and formal and "messes" it up.  Somehow, the contrast (messy-formal) is very nice and intriguing. Try it. But I got to say, the first time I did it, it was hard to mess up that nice professional press job.  I know the more traditional guys out there will not approve of this. But one reason I did it is because I think I dress nicely (or so I am told) and I don't want the reputation of being a dandy.

post #51 of 522
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i do hear white and yellow though as an issue. i think maybe they are too close in tone, and all the lightness and brightness might just end up washing out the whole look. whereas yellow on blue, is both a pretty combination, and provides proper contrast.
 

 

Indeed. Wear a purple tie with a white shirt (even though Manton said you shouldn't) and most people won't say a thing. Change the tie for a yellow one and you will get weird faces... they just clash.

post #52 of 522
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

i do hear white and yellow though as an issue. i think maybe they are too close in tone, and all the lightness and brightness might just end up washing out the whole look. whereas yellow on blue, is both a pretty combination, and provides proper contrast.

just my guess.



Works for the Donald, works for me.
post #53 of 522
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Originally Posted by Jackie Treehorn View Post

For the most part, I find the Manton school of thought intriguing. It's highly opinionated, though usually well reasoned.

That said, Manton tends to conflate the topics of social-correctness and aesthetics. For instance, when I encounter a sentence that begins with "It's never okay to...," I assume this sentence is about social correctness. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"It's never okay to" connotes to "It is incorrect to," or "It is improper to." But in this case, Manton does not appear to be calling something "never okay" on the criterion of social etiquette. Rather, he's justifying his proscription by way of aesthetic principles. "It's never okay to" wear a white shirt in X context, per Manton, because a white shirt looks bad in X context. Or is he saying that it's never okay to wear a white shirt in X context because it's not proper to do so? Or is it both?

Making this even more confusing is the fact that Manton will base a lot of his opinions on subjective preferences. (And he will even admit as much). Nevertheless, he states these preferences in generally the same tone as he states his social rules, in generally the same tone as he states his aesthetic ideals. That tone is peremptory by default, as if intended to be both the first and final word on any subject.

Manton, I don't believe you intend to be this way. In some ways, I even think this makes you more charming and more interesting as a thinker. But I do wish you'd take more time to differentiate between your aesthetic opinions and your social proscriptions, or else to draw a connective thread between them.


No, he doesn't.
He's conveying his experience. You don't have to listen.
Most of it doesn't apply to me. But i'm interested in clothes and i'm interested in the experience of real people.

This is not coming from some shop saying "you can wear a white shirt with absolutely everything!!!!So versatile!!!111" or a blog needing to make up "The 10 Men's Essentials TM".

His logic is interesting. I can pick and choose what applies to me.
Edited by hendrix - 8/2/12 at 3:00am
post #54 of 522
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post


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Works for the Donald, works for me.

 

That yellow almost looks like light orange, it's pretty dark. Personally, I still don't like it...

post #55 of 522
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

No, he doesn't.
He's conveying his experience. You don't have to listen.
Most of it doesn't apply to me. But i'm interested in clothes and i'm interested in the experience of real people.
This is not coming from some shop saying "you can wear a white shirt with absolutely everything!!!!So versatile!!!111" or a blog needing to make up "The 10 Men's Essentials TM".
His logic is interesting. I can pick and choose what applies to me.

Call it what you will. My point is that he "conveys his experience" in a tone that suggests he received that knowledge on stone tablets at the top of a mountain. This tone makes it occasionally hard to distinguish opinions from statements of fact, or statements about aesthetics from statements about social correctness.

Like I said, I enjoy his writing, and I think there's a lot of wisdom to be gleaned from it. Nowhere have I said that I choose "not to listen." In fact, if you'd read my post more carefully, you'd have seen that I was actually paying him a compliment.
post #56 of 522
well, we could just put IMHO ahead of every sentence but this whole fashion business is subjective anyway so it's a given. There are no real rules.

this is interesting too
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Not really the point of this thread so might be confusing: SW&D looks (truly I am talking about modernist runway fashion look AKA old Helmut Lang, Raf Simons, Jil Sander or even non-rocker Dior Homme) often REQUIRES a crisp white shirt because certain schools of thought call for a minimal colour palette (white, grey, black, navy only), an industrial look (so no "handmade" signals) and a lack of discernible pattern (cannot even see the threads, surface looks flat and uniform). To be honest they also call for a specific haircut and a slew of other details that mean most SW&Ders I see attempting that look fail miserably.
post #57 of 522
Manton just called me a stooge. And now I have to start buying shirts that are not White.

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Yellow looks fine to me.
post #58 of 522
I pretty much agree with Fuuma's and others points about SW&D and white shirts. I was a Dior fanatic in college in the heyday of Hedi Slimane (who is now making Yves roll over in his grave). I wore mainly white shirts then with black Dior suits. The blue shirt was a mark of the conservative businessman. I wear mostly white shirts now, while I am not a businessman, I am a part of the business world I just still appreciate a look that is clean and simplistic. I gravitated towards it then when I was at a different stage in my life, and now at a new stage I still have the same eye for what it is that I like with a bit more age on me. Would I go back to wearing skinny black suits? No way in hell. We all grow up and move on.
post #59 of 522
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Quando un imprenditore ha messo la cravatta con la camicia button down, che va bene per una partita di polo in campagna. Quando un conduttore porta la cravatta blu sul vestito blu, che fa tristezza anche al proprio funerale. Quando la camicia a quadretti è finita sotto l'abito gessato, che fa arrossire anche arlecchino. Quando un politico si presenta la sera con le scarpe marroni, che sono buone per andare a caccia la domenica. Quando quelle scarpe sono pure sporche, che neanche la decenza di pulirle. Quando la stessa sera l'uomo comune indossa la camicia azzurra, che fa passare la voglia di uscire di casa. Quando vedi le calze blu sul pantalone grigio e viceversa, che solo a pensare ai calzini vengono i brividi. Quando la cintura è sparita dai pantaloni, anche se non sei carcerato.
Quando lo stile è morto, per cedere il passo alla moda... Allora benvengano le scarpe rosse sotto lo smoking.
Buona settimana a tutti.
post #60 of 522
Cool story, bro.
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