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post #166 of 389
Business casual has taken over and it's not going anywhere soon.

A good buddy of mine is a partner at Kirkland & Ellis (top private equity law firm in the world by every conceivable metric) and he once said (and I quote) "We always know when we have small timers in the office because they're wearing suits. Guys at the 5 billion dollar+ funds never wear ties. Why would they? Who the fuck are they dressing up for?"

That basically sums it up.

In the world of finance, at the very highest level, you see a whole lot of business casual, which begets more business casual. Sorry, but by and large, billionaires aren't wearing ties for shit. That's 'tens of millions'-aire shit. Dispute me all you want, but these are the guys I hang around all day and I'm the only one wearing a tie, and it's because I want to.

Just ask this guy, who's worth a cool 5 billy:

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The young Sam Zell was quite a bit more dapper, but I guess at 5 billy you can put the grey flannel away forever and bust out da ugly shit...

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Now go ahead and tell me 84 reasons why I'm wrong, or just accept that the elite stopped dressing up a long time ago and that's that.
post #167 of 389
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Originally Posted by Jackie Treehorn View Post

Wool dress pants without a jacket is a really gumpy look, IMO. It is the uniform of the middle-American cubicle drone, and it's seldom a flattering one.

It's also the uniform of many Chinese males, that are over 30. Usually worn with a GoldLion, Dunhill or Hermes "H" belt and some kind of dress shirt or smart polo shirt. Rarely a suit, unless they work in a bank. Sport jackets, blazers and ties are seldom worn.

Indeed it's seldom a flattering look..

Edited by MikeDT - 8/15/12 at 9:32pm
post #168 of 389
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post


It's also the uniform of many Chinese males, that are over 30. Usually worn with a GoldLion, Dunhill or Hermes "H" belt and some kind of dress shirt or smart polo shirt. Rarely a suit, unless they work in a bank. Sport jackets, blazers and ties are seldom worn.
Indeed it's seldom a flattering look..

 

This has to be the fourth or fifth picture of a Chinese guy with his potbelly hanging out of his shirt that I've seen in the last month. Please tell me they're all pics of the same dude, and this isn't a trend or something?

post #169 of 389
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Originally Posted by Jackie Treehorn View Post

Would a well-fitted sweater look good on your body type? If so, this can be a reasonably sharp look for a man in his late 20s to early 30s.
On days where it's too hot for a sweater, a sharp blue sportcoat that you ditch indoors is totally fine. A plain, solid navy sportcoat or blazer with unobtrusive buttons and a flattering cut will not make you look stuffy. When in doubt, keep it simple and keep it well tailored.
At the end of the day, though, you shouldn't outdress your peer group by a significant margin. I don't care what people here will tell you. Dressing noticeably different from your peers will stand out, and seldom to your benefit.
A lot of American workplaces are an odd mix of egalitarian and hierarchical. You should dress according to your status within the firm, with maybe a very slight margin for overdressing. But slight. If you don't feel comfortable dressing above a pair of pants and a dress shirt, that's fine, but make sure your pants, shirts, and shoes are of good quality and are well tailored. That alone should put you ahead of most packs these days.

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I disagree with almost everything in this post.

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Originally Posted by althanis View Post

Could you elaborate more on what you disagree on, and why? Just for our edification, and I'm not being sarcastic.

The first thing mentioned here is to wear a sweater over the dress shirt with dress pants. I feel like this is on the very same level to a large degree as just wearing a dress shirt. It is an immature way to trying to look more dressed up. You end up just looking like you work at the mall.

I agree the the sportcoat, but I made that clear in my post.

My largest disagreement lies in JT's notion that you should "fit in". This is against my personal philosophy, and I think it does more harm than good to how people preceive you, and how you feel. If you want to wear suits than by all means wear a suit, if you want to wear a sportcoat than do it. Who cares if it gets attention! Of course you don't want to go against the dress code and wear something outlandish, we are talking about an outfit that millions of people put on to go to work in every day. Do what thou wilt, so mete it be!
post #170 of 389
Go to China and you'll cry. The above picture isn't the worst...
post #171 of 389
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Originally Posted by Jackie Treehorn View Post

 

This has to be the fourth or fifth picture of a Chinese guy with his potbelly hanging out of his shirt that I've seen in the last month. Please tell me they're all pics of the same dude, and this isn't a trend or something?

 

this happens in china because they are hot. they believe that the center of their chi is their bellybutton, so they expose it when they are hot because their chi "cools down:".

post #172 of 389
I don't think my belly button has seen UV rays in about 15 years.
post #173 of 389
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

The first thing mentioned here is to wear a sweater over the dress shirt with dress pants. I feel like this is on the very same level to a large degree as just wearing a dress shirt. It is an immature way to trying to look more dressed up. You end up just looking like you work at the mall.

I suppose that's true if it's something boring like a navy v-neck. Otherwise, I'm inclined to disagree.
post #174 of 389
Actually, besides are boring navy, or charcoal sweater what would you wear over a dress shirt? Don't tell me horizontal stripes...
post #175 of 389
I just think sweaters over a dress shirt is a very lazy way to try to look better. A sportcoat makes you look 1000 times better.
post #176 of 389
I understand your reasoning, but today I wore a purple merino crewneck over a light blue button-down with light grey flannel pants and felt okay about myself.
post #177 of 389
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Originally Posted by Jackie Treehorn View Post

This has to be the fourth or fifth picture of a Chinese guy with his potbelly hanging out of his shirt that I've seen in the last month. Please tell me they're all pics of the same dude, and this isn't a trend or something?

It most certainly is a trend I'm afraid. And is very much part of the culture when the temperature rises.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/bellybelly
30 Chinese Men Beating The Heat

Also happens in Cambodia and Vietnam as well.
post #178 of 389

I'm with Jackie Treehorn on the hierarchical dressing.  I'm generally dressing for myself, but if I were to wear a sport coat or a suit to work, especially with a tie, it would be terribly out of place.  My management doesn't wear sport coats or ties, you have to get up to just sub-vice president level before you see people regularly wearing SCs or suits.  Most people are in jeans and polos or even jeans and t-shirts.  I think I could get away with a sweater + dress shirt or sweater+tie+dress shirt though.

post #179 of 389
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post
It most certainly is a trend I'm afraid. And is very much part of the culture when the temperature rises.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/bellybelly
30 Chinese Men Beating The Heat
Also happens in Cambodia and Vietnam as well.

 

That is truly disturbing.

post #180 of 389
You ever think that those people could have been wearing that before they were promoted? I have noticed in the company that I work for better dressed people get promoted more. Maybe it has nothing to do with the clothes. Maybe it is that people who put more effort in their appearance in the workplace are just better workers and take themselves more seriously, rather than perfunctory. I am just strongly against wearing something to fit in. So much so that I would probably get a different job if it meant not being comfortable in wearing what I want.
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