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post #9106 of 12286
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post


I'm not sure of the basis of your objection. If you don't like it, that's good enough for me, but the justifications you've given aren't cutting it. The shoes are only casual for non-Americans. They fall squarely within the realm of business wear here. And, regarding monotonic palettes, a tuxedo is monotonic and tasteful.

 

There's a general consensus that a blucher is a more casual shoe than an oxford, which for many would already eliminate the blucher from CBD outfit, and pairing it with double soles and with cordovan leather (not sure on this one, the photograph is not helping) is not a suitable pair of shoes for an business suit, in my opinion.

Regarding the tuxedo, trick argument, purely rhetoric though as formal wear and CBD takes different logic on the color composition. Regarding a monotonic CBD outfit, the first thing that is commented when someone combines a blue square with a blue tie is how matchy and contrived the pairing is, but your outfit composed exclusively of blue is not matchy and contrived? Not seeing any difference between the two cases.

 

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


1. there seems to be enough variation in shade to be in good taste imo.
2. those shoes are not casual imo.
now we can drop it.

 

No need to be so defensive and evasive, I's just having a conversation with you. I apologize for my earlier post if it sounded too harsh to you. Very well, I exposed my arguments and you exposed yours and, since no exchange could be had, I'm going to drop it.

 

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

No, you are not correct. Just drop the subject already.

 

Common, this is a discussion forum and I'm trying to have a discussion. which is only achieved through debate, which are composed with different points of view expressed by arguments. Perhaps I'm wrong on that one too, right? biggrin.gif

post #9107 of 12286
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Originally Posted by Victor Elfo View Post

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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

I'm not sure of the basis of your objection. If you don't like it, that's good enough for me, but the justifications you've given aren't cutting it. The shoes are only casual for non-Americans. They fall squarely within the realm of business wear here. And, regarding monotonic palettes, a tuxedo is monotonic and tasteful.

There's a general consensus that a blucher is a more casual shoe than an oxford, which for many would already eliminate the blucher from CBD outfit, and pairing it with double soles and with cordovan leather (not sure on this one, the photograph is not helping) is not a suitable pair of shoes for an business suit, in my opinion.
Regarding the tuxedo, trick argument, purely rhetoric though as formal wear and CBD takes different logic on the color composition. Regarding a monotonic CBD outfit, the first thing that is commented when someone combines a blue square with a blue tie is how matchy and contrived the pairing is, but your outfit composed exclusively of blue is not matchy and contrived? Not seeing any difference between the two cases.

A blucher is less formal than an oxford in the hierarchy, sure, but outside of this forum, the distinction is likely semantic. And, as I noted, a blucher, even with a double sole, is considered appropriate business wear in this country. Also, it's dark-brown calf, not cordovan.
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The forum's resident expert on CBD calls out a navy suit with a navy neat tie as ultra conservative business dress, so the monotonic nature of the fit is hardly outside the bounds of the form. I know that matching has become the bugaboo of the forum, but that's just silly. If you want to knock me for being contrived, the spotted hank gives you all the cause you need without making broad generalizations about the use of a single color.
post #9108 of 12286
It's quite clearly a cultural thing.

For whatever reason, Amurrica has a history of longwings and suits, stemming from around the 50s I believe. Perhaps it had some type of utilitarian appeal back then, I'm not sure. It came to be accepted and it seems that it remains that way today.

Similar story for chunky Budapester shoes in middle Europe, I suppose. I think that had something to do with the war and stuffing hay into the shoes to keep the toes dry/warm or something.

Fashion has these weird little vestigial elements. It's cool.
post #9109 of 12286
Don't go calling my shoes longwings, hendrix. Them's fightin' words.
post #9110 of 12286
I'm not (necessarily, I can't really see them) calling them longwings, I'm just trying to explain why chunkier shoes are appropriate with suits in your weird little country
post #9111 of 12286
oh, they're shortwings. pedant.
post #9112 of 12286
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

oh, they're shortwings. pedant.

 

Yeah, don't ever make that mistake again - it's like calling a Kiwi an Aussie ;)
post #9113 of 12286
I was just joshin', hendrix. But, seriously. They're not longwings. lol8[1].gif
post #9114 of 12286
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Originally Posted by Victor Elfo View Post

No need to be so defensive and evasive, I's just having a conversation with you. I apologize for my earlier post if it sounded too harsh to you. Very well, I exposed my arguments and you exposed yours and, since no exchange could be had, I'm going to drop it.

was being neither defensive nor evasive. there just was not more to say. you see the all blue as too close in shade to be tasteful, i dont. you see the shoes as too casual to be tasteful with the suit, i dont. nothing i am mad about, i am just expressing my opinion, which happens to be the opposite of yours. thats cool.

also, the drop it comment was just me messing with apropos, had noting to do with your post.
post #9115 of 12286

      Now, that's an enjoyable discussion. The cultural differences are a very plausible argument, I'm going to agree with you on that one, it's okay at yours country and it's not optimal at mine.

      Regarding the monotonic outfit, which is where the real issue lies. I've no problem with a blue suit paired with a blue tie, but "coordinating" that combination with a shirt that resolves to the same shade of blue at distance and with a handkerchief that also has the same shade of blue on it is indeed matchy. Bellow is a very similar outfit, but the shirt and the square makes all the difference to me and, after learning a bit more about your country's culture, I can start to have a more positive point of view about the shoes.

 

 

post #9116 of 12286
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Originally Posted by Victor Elfo View Post

      Regarding the monotonic outfit, which is where the real issue lies. I've no problem with a blue suit paired with a blue tie, but "coordinating" that combination with a shirt that resolves to the same shade of blue at distance and with a handkerchief that also has the same shade of blue on it is indeed matchy. Bellow is a very similar outfit, but the shirt and the square makes all the difference to me and, after learning a bit more about your country's culture, I can start to have a more positive point of view about the shoes.

 

 

But SB's shirt resolves to a very different shade of blue than his suit or tie from a distance. Up close, I do think the shades are too similar, but if anything, in the long shot, he's got more suit/shirt contrast than Vox (at least in his picture, which could be a hair overexposed).

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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post

But SB's shirt resolves to a very different shade of blue than his suit or tie from a distance.

exactly.
post #9118 of 12286
uh huh
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I don't like vox' outfit there either, to be honest.

post #9120 of 12286
All of Vox's stuff fits better, but I prefer my shirt choice. (Sorry, clapeyron.)
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