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I hope to one day narrow my warderobe down to just a few, basic staple items. Like Victor.
post #6932 of 13589
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

On most occasions. But because the double monks are black they don't go well, in my opinion, with grey flannel trousers and a blazer. Or a sports jacket and light-grey trousers. And because they're too, shall we say, non-traditional, they don't go well with the three-piece charcoal or navy suits I wear.

What size are you? might need to snag them from you. i'll rock whatever.
post #6933 of 13589
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Originally Posted by teddieriley View Post

What size are you? might need to snag them from you. i'll rock whatever.

6.5 UK. If they don't fit, you can buy a somewhat similar version here -- http://www.mrporter.com/product/168505

Enjoy your black double monks.
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Shoes aside, is this good taste?
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6.5 UK. If they don't fit, you can buy a somewhat similar version here -- http://www.mrporter.com/product/168505

Enjoy your black double monks.

They would probably fit me. Shame I don't have the €€€ to take them away from you tounge.gif

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Originally Posted by teddieriley View Post

It amazes me how many people (particularly in this thread) seem not to like certain things because they think it has been Pittified. Very few of you have actually been to Pitti and the personas you think kill certain looks are mainly visible through the Internet (unless you happen to live in Italy). This whole anti-double monkstrap is one of them. Would I wear EG Westminsters to a board meeting (not that I go to any)? No. But to categorically discount them as a useful or desirable shoe in a rotation as in "poor taste" or not good enough taste for this thread is a bit ridiculous. For a day in the office with a suit where no one else gives a fuck or out about town in a sport coat and trousers for people not just living in the Internet is in perfectly good taste.

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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post

Pitti is just shorthand for a particular kind of trying too hard.

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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

I don't wear them NOT BECAUSE they have been marked by 'Pitti'.

Rather it is BECAUSE I feel they don't look good on my feet, and I don't think they work well with what I wear. I clarified why not in my original post. Chalk it down to a mistake of buying smth that looked inherently good (they do look absolutely gorgeous) as an object, on the site of an online shop, without careful consideration of how they will be matched.

I hope this clears any nagging doubt about the reasons for my not wearing them. Tbh, I don't even follow Pitti.

My reason for engaging with In Stitches is an academic and logical one.

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Originally Posted by RDiaz View Post

+1, plus the dub monks in question (bboysdontcryy's) are absolutely beautiful. Not wearing them because they have been marked as "Pitti" by SF is a very sad thing to do!

I think I was the one who brought up the criticism of double monks, way up thread and mentioned Pitti in that context. It was not a criticism of bboysdontcry's shoes in particular, which I said looked very well made. Here is what I said in response to a question about whether double-monks were tasteful:
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

That's kind of a strange question, though I appreciate how it fits into this thread. If you are referring to VictorSF's shoes, then, in my opinion, they are a good illustration of how wearing something "just because" contributes to the #menswear/pitti/more cowbell look. I don't like it. But it is not like you will be sent to jail for wearing it. It just looks like you are trying to be fashionable, which is no crime (except on this thread).



I am sure you can tell I am trying hard not to say "No, they aren't tasteful." I am sure there is a casual look in which they don't look contrived, but I can't think of it and, in any event, it is hard to get around the fundamental pointlessness of the design.
I think the discussion has gone a long way. Victor goes to a lot of trouble to put together combinations that may be pleasing but are more in the general WAYWN context than what this thread was supposed to be about. I suppose that, too, may be debatable, but I am pretty comfortable, for reasons I gave in the initial discussion, that double monks generally don't really "belong" here. That is not to say they are awful or you shouldn't wear them if you like them. Just know that they create a certain kind of look, especially if they are brown double-monks worn with a blue suit and a newsboy cap.

BTW, on the Nazi discussion, I think bboy was trying hard to make a reasonable point and stitchy was so focused on the evil of the Nazis that he was unable to engage the point precisely and clearly. The fact that the Nazis were especially awful, and much worse people than chavs isn't what matters. The correct critique of bboys is that the analogy is inapt because, unlike a novacheck, the reason to NOT wear a swastika is not just that you don't want to be associated with the wearers (Nazis, old or new), but because the symbol itself is likely to give offense and nice people don't want to wear something that can be reasonably expected to give offense, even if it is otherwise pretty. Unlike the swastka, the novachek does not, in and of itself, offend people; it's only relevance is the people who are associated with it. The diyuk is that the swastika itself has a negative power because of its history.
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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post

Shoes aside, is this good taste?
Does "shoes" include cuffs (and meggings)?
Shoes and cuffs aside, I like the combination, but would still answer, no. Blue v. green is very distinctive and the amount of blue against the solid green jacket highlights this. I bet it would be more successful if you switched out either the trousers or the tie to make the two-color contrast less aggressive.
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Shoes aside, is this good taste? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Beautiful, well-proportioned silhouette -- especially the sport coat -- but I think the outfit would benefit from mid-grey pants and a differently-colored hanky.
post #6939 of 13589
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Shoes aside, is this good taste? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'd be curious if this is one of the infrequent cases where navy pants look good? It's not often you see such a green coat and I quite like the color combination. Is that due to my amateurish eye?

With that said it seems that the tie and pocket square are suffering from monochromatic tie/square fail.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post


BTW, on the Nazi discussion, I think bboy was trying hard to make a reasonable point and stitchy was so focused on the evil of the Nazis that he was unable to engage the point precisely and clearly. The fact that the Nazis were especially awful, and much worse people than chavs isn't what matters. The correct critique of bboys is that the analogy is inapt because, unlike a novacheck, the reason to NOT wear a swastika is not just that you don't want to be associated with the wearers (Nazis, old or new), but because the symbol itself is likely to give offense and nice people don't want to wear something that can be reasonably expected to give offense, even if it is otherwise pretty. Unlike the swastka, the novachek does not, in and of itself, offend people; it's only relevance is the people who are associated with it. The diyuk is that the swastika itself has a negative power because of its history.

Damn it. I was hoping that nobody would bring that up. I realized that halfway through the discussion.

But more to Stitch's point: his underlying premise was that it's foolish to reject an object that, though in and of itself has no meaning/or might look cool, has come to be associated with negativity.

I was thus dealing directly with that premise by using the swastika example that at the point of my posting, I felt had universal significance. After all, a swastika, like I mentioned, in and off itself is perfectly fine, and was even widely recognized as being okay. It was only after it gained certain negative symbolic significance that it came to be rejected by mainstream society. This clearly, in my opinion, flies in the face of In Stitch's premise above.

Though halfway through the discussion, I did realize I should have picked another example so it could be related back to clothing, which is why I confined my analogy to his 'premise' and said he could swop in other objects (in place of the swastika) that have symbolic significance so it would be more relevant. Still, I don't really think it detracts from my point because I can substitute more relevant examples.

I was also, trying to defend myself from his wanton accusations.
Edited by bboysdontcryy - 2/26/13 at 3:22pm
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^Absolutely all of this can be settled via PM's or the dumb threads forum. It's annoying when this thread is derailed by tangents so people can express their ego and intellect.
post #6942 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Ivar View Post

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Beautiful, well-proportioned silhouette -- especially the sport coat -- but I think the outfit would benefit from mid-grey pants and a differently-colored hanky.

I like the softer silhouette for odd/casual coats, but do think it could have used a different coloured pocket square.
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Didn't the OP ask us to move on from the Nazi/swastika discussion?
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A rare example of me possibly approaching good taste (if you ignore the ps)

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A rare example of me possibly approaching good taste (if you ignore the ps)
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+1, though I can't say I like the beefy tie knot.
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