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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post


Wouldn't suitable cloth (i.e. non-smooth worsted, such as hopsack, as you suggest, or serge or fresco) coupled with brown horn buttons be enough to send the signal?  Genuinely curious.

My old school blazer had patch pockets as did my Blues blazer at university.

I don't have see a problem with flapped hip and breast welt pockets though. You may need metal buttons though.
post #5942 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post


Fair enough.  I suppose what I meant was a classic blazer cloth, rather than something appropriate only for suiting. 

Serge is the classic Blazer cloth.
post #5943 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Lovelace View Post


Serge is the classic Blazer cloth.


Indeed.  My question was really whether a blazer in a classic cloth such as serge or hopsack could be regarded as in good taste without patch pockets, but with brown horn buttons?  I rather like the idea of brown horn buttons as an understated alternative to brass (brass buttoned blazers are not as versatile in the UK as in North America).

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I give up on taking pics with my iPhone. Details:

- bespoke navy pinstripe
- unlined textured weave navy silk tie
- shirt has light orange and light blue stripes
- white linen ps - I actually bought a cream silk square and it just looked horrendous with this outfit
post #5945 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post


Indeed. My question was really whether a blazer in a classic cloth such as serge or hopsack could be regarded as in good taste without patch pockets, but with brown horn buttons? I rather like the idea of brown horn buttons as an understated alternative to brass (brass buttoned blazers are not as versatile in the UK as in North America).

As far as sins go, it would be venal.
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But still necessitating repentance?!
 

post #5947 of 13589
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Originally Posted by CaymanS View Post


I give up on taking pics with my iPhone. Details:
 

 

One recommendation I have for those taking pictures with the Iphone (at least the 4): don't use the camera that is on the same side as the screen. It is vastly inferior to the one on the back of the phone. Of course, this makes it harder to see what your are taking a picture of. That is where a mirror comes in handy. Use the mirror to see the screen and the "take picture" button.

post #5948 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post


Indeed.  My question was really whether a blazer in a classic cloth such as serge or hopsack could be regarded as in good taste without patch pockets, but with brown horn buttons?  I rather like the idea of brown horn buttons as an understated alternative to brass (brass buttoned blazers are not as versatile in the UK as in North America).

You need to try a differentiate it from looking like standard suit jacket.

If you don't like brass buttons have you considered other fancy button types?
post #5949 of 13589
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Originally Posted by mymil View Post

Okay so when I wear this with charcoal gray trousers and a white pocket square, what shirt and tie should I wear?


This is the third time someone dissed charcoal grey.... What's wrong with it ?
Edited by driftking - 2/8/13 at 11:19am
post #5950 of 13589
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

One recommendation I have for those taking pictures with the Iphone (at least the 4): don't use the camera that is on the same side as the screen. It is vastly inferior to the one on the back of the phone. Of course, this makes it harder to see what your are taking a picture of. That is where a mirror comes in handy. Use the mirror to see the screen and the "take picture" button.

You are the man. Duly noted. Thank you.
post #5951 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post

But still necessitating repentance?!

SF frets about this too much. Suit coat v. blazer distinction isn't just in the coat itself but in the greater context of the outfit. A fellow wearing an oversized blue coat with dark buttons, along with an oversized shirt collar and square-toed shoes, may look like he's recycling his only suit coat, but if I spotted a fellow wearing what you describe, in a cloth with some texture to it, as part of a pleasing outfit, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's made a conscious choice.

If the point is not to look clueless, it's not that hard.
post #5952 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Lovelace View Post


You need to try a differentiate it from looking like standard suit jacket.

If you don't like brass buttons have you considered other fancy button types?


Brass buttons are fine for the right occasion. 

 

So people think that more is required than appropriate cloth and brown horn buttons?  I was expecting as much (I know Manton regarded the patch pockets as essential to the BlazerSuit), but was interested to know whether this was a general consensus.

 

BTW, this thread has been cooking on gas over the last three weeks.


Edited by Balfour - 2/8/13 at 10:44am
post #5953 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post


Brass buttons are fine for the right occasion. 

So people think that more is required than appropriate cloth and brown horn buttons?  I was expecting as much (I know Manton regarded the patch pockets as essential to the BlazerSuit), but was interested to know whether this was a general consensus.

BTW, this thread has been a cracking read over the last three weeks - I've enjoyed catching up on it a great deal!

I don't think that patch pockets are essential, but I do think that you do need to differentiate it from what would otherwise effectively be an orphaned suit jacket.

I can think of various ways of doing this.

Cloth pattern and colour. Awning/Regatta stripes for example.
Pocket styles.
Button types.
Piping on the lapels. Like Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner.
so on...
post #5954 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post


Indeed.  My question was really whether a blazer in a classic cloth such as serge or hopsack could be regarded as in good taste without patch pockets, but with brown horn buttons?  I rather like the idea of brown horn buttons as an understated alternative to brass (brass buttoned blazers are not as versatile in the UK as in North America).

A note on terminology:

While a 'blazer' most places has come to mean just any kind of odd jacket or sports coat by now, I think it can be helpful to be a bit more distinctive here. If we for the moment disregard the brightly coloured, often striped, boating blazer, what is left is the navy coat with contrasting, usually metal, buttons. (Usually, as MoP buttons can provide enough contrast to put a coat in blazer territory).

As such, a blazer is fine with smoother serge and flapped welt pockets, as it has it's buttons to mark it as such.

Now, if you want brown horn buttons (and I could see why you would), it's going to be a sports coat and then it'll need more cues to distinguish it - swelled edges, patch pockets, more textured cloth. (Obvioulsy, a blazer can also have all of these details.)

In my understanding anyway. Hopefully Manton will be along to confirm or correct :-)
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^ Thank you.  (And sorry if my sloppy use of language has fired up another blazer v. blue odd jacket debate on terminology - this was not my intention!)
 

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