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post #5686 of 12572
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I wrote about just that here.

The short answer to your question is that I would probably add a pattern to the tie or shirt in that instance.

Yes, I just saw that. When I've seen mention of the 'Italian Backgound' it's usually been when used as an anchoring combo for a heavily patterned SC, not as something paired with a somber, solid business suit like what you discuss in your article there.

Used as such, do you still find it subpar?
post #5687 of 12572
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

Agree that it needs to be a suit. Here's mine from Steed which I posted in the A&S Ex-Pat thread the other day.

AppleMark

Please allow me to ask a sincere, if noob, question: Per the rating this ensemble was given, why do black shoes detract from this outfit?
Edited by johnvw - 2/6/13 at 4:12pm
post #5688 of 12572
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

Yay! I agree on the shoes and I was requested to wear black shoes as it was an event I was working. Otherwise it's mostly always brown for me. I plan to wear it as is this season and see if we need to add buttons later. I like the unique flair the 4 button adds. I like the waist as is and I believe Edwin agrees as he pins it!

Slew, I think the reason why the 6 might look better than the 4 on this is because there's really quite a bit of empty space on the chest area which, at first blush, makes it look as if something's amiss, not so much the fact that it's 4 buttons and less 'right', so to speak. But, you do have time to think though about whether you want the two topmost buttons or not.
post #5689 of 12572
Thread Starter 
I agree. If you look at successful examples of 4x2 from the movies, the button stance is generally higher and the wrap is wider. That really looks like a 6x2 with two buttons missing.
post #5690 of 12572
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I wrote about just that here.

The short answer to your question is that I would probably add a pattern to the tie or shirt in that instance.

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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

That is a good article/post/entry, but I don't think it really addresses the Italian look, which tends to be almost mod-like in its austerity. For the reasons you explain, the illustration is great. But those same reasons also make it something else to begin with.

Pretty much my MO
post #5691 of 12572
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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

Yes, I just saw that. When I've seen mention of the 'Italian Backgound' it's usually been when used as an anchoring combo for a heavily patterned SC, not as something paired with a somber, solid business suit like what you discuss in your article there.

Used as such, do you still find it subpar?

True, the entry is on the business-oriented "uniform," not specifically the "Italian Background," but the principles and analysis still apply. We turn it into a cartoon in our heads and see: solid blue shirt, solid blue tie, solid blue shirt, solid blue tie, etc. But the truth is that there is often quite a bit of pattern at play. I would hesitate to pair a heavily patterned tweed odd jacket with a solid blue shirt and solid blue tie because they tend to get blocked off. I'd prefer to have a pattern in at least one.
post #5692 of 12572
Foo, I like your avatar.
post #5693 of 12572
Luciano Barbera:

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As iconic an Italian dresser as any, yet Luciano does not use the all-solid, so-called "Italian Background." Rather, he often pairs a navy-grounded tie with a light blue-grounded shirt, and one or both are almost always patterned. The tie may have another color in it. These were from a quick Google image search. I haven't come across an outfit where he's clearly wearing a solid blue tie and solid blue shirt.

When we see color-blocked Italians, they tend to be the more anonymous or fashion-oriented sort. Essentially: random Roman businessmen. It seems to me the famed dressers of Italy tend to inject a whole lot more nuance. Hence, the real takeaway lesson is that when wearing the "Background," pattern and texture should be employed to achieve the best effect.
post #5694 of 12572
Thread Starter 
Well, I always thought the best dressed Italians were the Milanse and the "country gentlemen" from the Lombardy lake country.
post #5695 of 12572
Oh, you know who does do the totally blocked-out, no-pattern "Italian Background?" Lino, of Al Bazar. But he's a cartoon in and of himself.
post #5696 of 12572
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

My general rule is that you need some white for the black to make sense.

Das Racist!
post #5697 of 12572
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Originally Posted by teddieriley View Post

Das Racist!

A peep into the recesses of Foo's mind. Or yours. rotflmao.gif
post #5698 of 12572
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

Slew, I think the reason why the 6 might look better than the 4 on this is because there's really quite a bit of empty space on the chest area which, at first blush, makes it look as if something's amiss, not so much the fact that it's 4 buttons and less 'right', so to speak. But, you do have time to think though about whether you want the two topmost buttons or not.

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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I agree. If you look at successful examples of 4x2 from the movies, the button stance is generally higher and the wrap is wider. That really looks like a 6x2 with two buttons missing.

I hear that. While tough to make them higher I could always move them out a touch. Would make the wrap a touch tighter, but there is room. We shall see.
post #5699 of 12572
How can you move the buttons further apart? The external and internal anchoring holes have already been cut. Anyway, I think the overlap is fine. Maybe it's more Italian that narrow than English, but that's not necessarily bad. Any reason you are opposed to adding the top buttons? They would really help.
post #5700 of 12572
charcoal trousers, yuck!
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