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post #5326 of 13401
As narrow as mafoofan's tastes are, it's up to every person to understand that no word is gospel. He's basically constantly coming up with ways to express the boundaries of his taste. It's the same with Manton; he has some ideas that work for him and he's essentially just sharing them, in the noble but ultimately futile attempt to help people who have not (yet) developed their own taste.

Personally, I don't know how they all can take arguing over pocketsquares and white shirts for so long. I think many of the posters should worry more about getting a few nice suits that fit well and shoes that aren't over-extended pointy abominations than worry about the details.[/quote]

Another thing would be to concentrate on overall appearance, rather than worshipping the SF grail items - the Hober grenadine, the Drake's mogul square - and think those items in and of themselves turn every ensemble tasteful.

I'm surprised that so many are furious at Foo, his shtick is legendary. It makes this long-moribund thread much more interesting.
post #5327 of 13401
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

You'll have equal trouble finding a RTW grey flannel suit or Harris tweed odd jacket. Yet those things are also core staples. A young man starting out who needs to make the most out of each purchase would do well to get a blazer suit. I hear what you are saying about patch pockets making for a more casual suit, but in this day and age that effect is marginal at best. I have trouble thinking of a social or professional situation where a navy suit old suffice, but only if it does not have patch pockets. Also, nowadays, a young man is probably going to need a blazer more often then a full-blown suit.

First suit navy linen ok?
http://us.suitsupply.com/suits/suit-blue-plain-havana-p3500e/P3500E,en_US,pd.html?start=12&cgid=Pre_Suits#desc_a
post #5328 of 13401
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Originally Posted by CaymanS View Post

Except of course all the well-dressed men who wear grey suits, light blue shirts and navy ties every day of their lives, since it's a well-dressed man staple.
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One and three look great, but number two is only notable because of who he is and who he is portraying on screen.

The problem is not that he wore grey with blue. I do that all the time. As you say, it is a staple combination--not just worn by men like Agnelli, but also by every random person who goes to the office and happened to pick a blue shirt instead of a white shirt. The reason why Agnelli looks infinitely better than such a random person is because of the nuance of his execution. Note the spectrum of saturation in the first example, from very dark, inky tie, to much lighter suit, to even lighter shirt. Also notice that the suit is as textured as a suit can get, being what appears to be a woolen flannel. That surface interest is contributes to the outfit is also key. The same analysis goes for the third example, except the tie appears somewhat less dark and the suit a bit lighter.

The problem with Stitch's example is that he fails to so artfully deploy either texture or contrast. As I think I noted in the original critique, he would have done much better with a lighter grey suit since the tie and the charcoal suiting are both so close in brightness. When you have no patterns, and you are wearing such a basic, staple outfit of all solid colors, it is even more important than usual--absolutely key, really--to know how to dynamically vary texture, saturation, and brightness, etc. In fact, it is precisely because the outfit pushes those things into the forefront that it is such a good canvas for good taste, and someone who does it well can come across as so elegant. Simply choosing the same basic colors will get you nowhere.
post #5329 of 13401
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

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Much, much better. First of all, the stripes in the shirt break-up the lack of pattern variation, which relieves some of the pressure to broaden and fill-out the textural and tonal spectrums. Yet, the shirt also has some white in it, which only further serves to make the outfit even more dynamic. Assuming no square as usual, this is actually two notches better than the one you posted.

Grey with blue is always an excellent go-to combination. But as I explaining to Cayman with regards to his Agnelli examples, using it is not an excuse to ignore the other variables we always talk about. In fact, exactly the opposite.

Word of warning, then: simply wearing a grey suit with a blue shirt and blue tie does not win any aesthetic points. Everything else will be determinative. That is true both, literally, in terms of how I judge here, and in real life.

Final score: foo.giffoo.giffoo.gif
post #5330 of 13401

Nothing wrong with the color, but do you really want a linen suit for a starter?

Also, the fit on that guy is comical. The pants fit him like jeans, which can only be an even greater disaster than usual because they are linen. Can you imagine how wrinkled they will get?
post #5331 of 13401
Was it Polo who sewed in a "Guaranteed to Wrinkle" label in their linen suits?

Also, submitted for FooScore:

Then:


Now:


Suit is a gray glen with purple check
Tie is purple woven silk with white dots
Shirt is crisp white
Square is lime linen with lilac accents
post #5332 of 13401
Shirt is light blue, tie has a deep navy blue ground. With mid grey flannels.

post #5333 of 13401

Another try today:

 

 

A better picture of the shirt color/pattern:

 

post #5334 of 13401
foo - Thank you for the further detailed explanation. I'm glad to hear that the striped shirt combo was significantly better. Quite a nice start to my day actually.

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Also, it looks like you are going to have your work cut out for you for the next little while. You might want to take the next few days off from work LOL.
post #5335 of 13401
All this man-bitching and whining actually led to more pics being posted. Hat's off to mafoofan for stirring shit up.
post #5336 of 13401
wool-linen blend = too wrinkly for a 1 suit wardrobe?
Vietnam is very hot, I'm afraid I'd melt in traditional worsted wool. My worsted can still be returned, what do you guys think? I'd figure that suit can double as a casual blazer also because of the patch pockets.
post #5337 of 13401

I know this isn't an ask a question thread, but this does seem like the best place to ask (as more analysis occurs here than anywhere else).

 

Objectively, why don't 3 button jackets with the top button fastened get much love?

 

I know that they aren't really in vogue at the moment and that the knee jerk reaction to them is to roll the top button...but that doesn't say anything about aesthetics.

post #5338 of 13401
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

I know this isn't an ask a question thread, but this does seem like the best place to ask (as more analysis occurs here than anywhere else).

 

Objectively, why don't 3 button jackets with the top button fastened get much love?

 

I know that they aren't really in vogue at the moment and that the knee jerk reaction to them is to roll the top button...but that doesn't say anything about aesthetics.

I suppose, for most people, the ideal buttoning point is where the top button on a 2-button jacket fastens, or the second button on a 3-roll-2 fastens, which is generally around the natural waist. I don't know about leaving the top button undone on a true 3-button. I don't think the nice lapel roll would happen naturally.

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post #5340 of 13401
That is a giant dog, AS. That or you are foo.gif level short...
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