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post #5266 of 12577
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


i have taken much advise to heart, and made a great number of changes based on critiques i have received here, regardless of whether or not i understood them at the time. happens to be, i disagree with you on this fit, for reasons given already by others. i think the color contrast is more than sufficient, and that the texture contrast is quite tasteful. you disagree. not a big deal. i see no need for you to call me a troll. i keep a very open mind, but just because you say something does not make it unimpeachable truth. is it impossible for you to accept that there are opinions other than your own, and that it is possible some of them may be valid?

i think its pretty clear that other people here have the impression that i do take critique to heart. maybe, unknowingly, i have been more dismissive of some things you particularly have said, i honestly do not recall every reply i have made to the many critiques i have received. maybe that is the issue, idrk, but i certainly am not here to waste anyones time. i will keep this possibility in mind, and be sure to reply to any of your future critiques with more substance than just saying i disagree, i hope that is sufficient.

what i am particularly interested in, when i mentioned digging up old posts, are fits not that i specifically liked, but ones that other people liked, and that i put together based heavily on the input of others. i would be curious as to your take on them, provided we are in agreeance (apparently that may not be a real word, who knew?) that i will try and be more explanatory should i disagree with you, and that you will therefor not outright delete my posts. i see no reason why we cant get along well.

I don't think you are actively trying to undermine the thread. However, I've noticed that you tend to dismiss whatever I say on the vague basis of having your own personal opinion. Please understand why that is destructive to his thread and, effectively, trolling. The whole point was to make this thread different from WAYWRN; it is supposed to embrace the spirit of objectivity. I don't want people to just do as I say, but as with anyone, when I am asked for input or advice, I need to believe it was earnestly requested. Just appreciate that in this thread, that's all. It will get real old real fast if people keep posting things for judgment without heeding previous criticism, while expecting a different result.

Now, that is the last I'm going to say about this intra-thread. Let's keep any further chatter on the matter in PMs.
post #5267 of 12577
Understood, Clapeyron. And agreed. I thought you meant pocketsquares in general.
post #5268 of 12577
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

This is sillier than arguing that gun club shouldn't be worn in the city.

What? No, I think that is a pretty solid principle. Anyway, who said anything about the environment in which it is worn? I don't care if someone where's glen plaid in the country, in the city, or on the moon. My point is that it shouldn't be an odd jacket. I can see a glen plaid that is theoretically so bold and large-patterned as to be workable as a jacket alone, but that is not the glen plaid we are dealing with and such a glen plaid completely atypical.
post #5269 of 12577
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post


The purple in the square is both random and distracting. The brown in it is too close in your tie. But otherwise, the outfit is fine. You might have hit foo.giffoo.giffoo.gif without the square.

Final score: foo.giffoo.gif

Suggestions on the square?
post #5270 of 12577
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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post

Suggestions on the square?

Cream silk, for starters. smile.gif

But seriously. Cream silk. Play it safe before you venture out into the wilderness.
post #5271 of 12577
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

What? No, I think that is a pretty solid principle. Anyway, who said anything about the environment in which it is worn? I don't care if someone where's glen plaid in the country, in the city, or on the moon. My point is that it shouldn't be an odd jacket. I can see a glen plaid that is theoretically so bold and large-patterned as to be workable as a jacket alone, but that is not the glen plaid we are dealing with and such a glen plaid completely atypical.

You did not specify any complaint with this coat in specific. You were speaking of glen plaid in general. Fact is, glen plaid has been an accepted sportcoat pattern for decades, and it's much more common these days in sportcoats than suits. You may not like it, and that's fine, but if this thread is to be useful, it is important to distinguish between your preferences and appropriateness.
post #5272 of 12577
Yes, glen plaid is more common today in odd jackets. But the common odd jacket is pretty hideous and is styled more for men who are unsure of wearing odd jackets. It is typically made of material that would be more appropriate for suiting. So, I'm not sure why we should refer to it as a standard.

We've had this debate before. I am far from alone in my assertion that the typical glen plaid is a suit-only pattern. Yes, I could have been more specific by laying out exceptions, but the truth is that the vast majority of glen plaids out there are not bold and large enough to break out of the realm of suiting. Anyway, the poster's glen plaid is a normal-looking glen plaid, not some FU variety.
post #5273 of 12577
I absolutely agree that some glen plaid is strictly suiting. But that's also true of windowpane, and it too is used for sportcoats. Stripping the nuance out of the discussion and passing opinion as fact is a poor way to inspire people to be thoughtful about their clothing choices.
post #5274 of 12577
Doc, again, the universe of odd jacket appropriate glen plaids is so small, I'm surprised this bugs you so much. Yes, I could have provided that exception. There is always an exception. But I'm not going to waste time writing paragraphs and paragraphs about minutiae that is unlikely to matter when there are bigger points that need tackling. The bottom line is that what most people envision as glen plaid, which includes the example worn by the poster I judged, is not okay for an odd jacket.

I think it's a fair play to frame one's answer relative to the audience and circumstances. I'm not looking to unnecessarily overload people with information.
post #5275 of 12577

From the archive:

 

Comments are welcome.

post #5276 of 12577
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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post

Haven't posted in a long time: Foo, yesterday, I was dressed much like Stitchy's fit above and wasn't pleased with the look.



Can you talk a little bit about or give some examples of more monochromatic looks that work. Second, here's what I'm wearing today. Again, less than thrilled with it. Interested in your thoughts.



Tie is actually dark bitter chocolate but the square is accurate.

First pic: try white linen for the full city treatment. Or foo.gif cream silk. Or white linen with an edging like purple. The shirt, tie and jacket scream 'city', which is why more rustic squares detract from the look.

Second pic: IMO, the shirt is a wee bit bold for the tie. Personally, I prefer blue stipes on a white ground ( and not vice versa) if I'm going to wear a brown tie. It makes for a more neutral ground. For this shirt, a wine red twill or grenadine tie might work better for you.

FWIW I wear similar ensembles quite frequently.
post #5277 of 12577
Iirc Harrison's moonbeam has some larger scale glen plaid that would make a nice SC
post #5278 of 12577
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

The bottom line is that what most people envision as glen plaid, which includes the example worn by the poster I judged, is not okay for an odd jacket.

Please back this up. I'm happy to entertain evidence.

In the meantime, here's an example from way back in the day of Apparel Arts, courtesy of Will:

http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2010/05/for-your-consideration.html?m=1
post #5279 of 12577
Repost from earlier:

http://www.styleforum.net/content/type/61/id/658627/

Fire away and don't worry, no hard feelings.
post #5280 of 12577
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

Please back this up. I'm happy to entertain evidence.

In the meantime, here's an example from way back in the day of Apparel Arts, courtesy of Will:

http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2010/05/for-your-consideration.html?m=1

Isnt that a pretty large scale? I don't think anyone disagrees that a large POW is fine for an odd jacket.

But aravenel's coat seems to be pretty clearly a suiting scale. I'll preemptively say that I can't quantify the line between the two. But if you look at that next to the LL tweed POW, it's fairly obvious that one really looks like a suit (albeit a loudish one) and one looks like a SC.
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