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post #3691 of 13240
ok, ok.

post #3692 of 13240
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Foo, you will have an easier time with this topic when you realize that there are no facts about clothing choices. Just because I say that Pulp Fiction is the best Quentin Tarantino film, and present many reasons why it is such, does not make it such. Same with your white square/white shirt opinion. You've stated multiple times why you think it's bad. Fine, great. You think so, others don't. If you stop begrudging everyone with your factpinions, we can move on. nod[1].gif


reservoir dogs is the best. that's a fact.

post #3693 of 13240
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

Do you have a way of knowing something to be true that is independent of your reasons for believing it in the first place?

In this case, yes. I've tried a white shirt and white square and liked it. smile.gif
post #3694 of 13240
Thread Starter 
You keep skipping past the non-trivial difference between “not ideal” and “objectively bad.”

But anyway, consider for a moment two things that do lay just claim to being considered objectively, as opposed to conventionally, aesthetically pleasing.

First, the ancient Greeks recognized the “golden ratio” the equation for which you can look up, but the point is, it results in a ratio of two unequal parts, let’s call them A and B, where A is longer/larger than B and A is to A+B what B is to A. Or, doing the math, 1:1.618 …

Now, for about 2,500 years aestheticians of various kinds—including sculptors, architects and so on—have incorporated this ratio into their works, many of which—including the Parthenon—are considered to be among the most successfully aesthetically pleasing of all time. There appears to be something about the Golden Ratio that appeals to the human eyes and brain on a structural level that transcends not only the medium but even time, place and culture. Perhaps not everyone cares or sees it or “feels” it but most do, which is what makes it objectively aesthetically superior.

Or consider male opinions of female beauty. Modern conventional wisdom would have us believe that this is all relative to man viewing but many studies have shown that is not so. There certain things that all men, more or less everywhere, find pleasing, among them facial symmetry and a 0.7 waist-hip ratio. Ask a random, representative sample of men to rank various women and the results will be strikingly consistent. There may be differences in the margins—Joe says Jane is a 7, Jim says she’s an 8—but Joe, Jim and everyone else will all agree on the 7-8 v. the 3-4 and even the 5-6.

So, in one sense beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, if what is meant is that standards of beauty are completely relative and have no static frame of reference. But in another sense beauty IS in the eye of the beholder because there is no other metric for judging it. If something does not appear to be beautiful then it is not. There can be things of extreme refinement that most people will not “get” that are nonetheless beautiful—the Grosse Fugue comes to mind. But the chances that something can be objectively ugly but only understood to be so by one person are vanishingly remote, and almost a logical impossibility.

What we really have here is a non-rule rule. Well, fine. One of my non-rule rules is no solid socks. I literally own one pair of solid (black) dress socks, which I only wear with chef clogs. But there is nothing incorrect or even aesthetically bad about them, I just don’t like them.
post #3695 of 13240
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

In this case, yes. I've tried a white shirt and white square and liked it. smile.gif

You miss the point. Whether you like it is irrelevant. You could just a slave to convention that doesn't want to admit it to yourself.
post #3696 of 13240
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

You miss the point. Whether you like it is irrelevant. You could just a slave to convention that doesn't want to admit it to yourself.

Perhaps you miss the point? Whether you don't like it is irrelevant. You could just be arguing about something that doesn't have a clear answer and don't want to admit it to yourself.
post #3697 of 13240
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

In this case, yes. I've tried a white shirt and white square and liked it. smile.gif

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You can't decide that you have enough reasons to believe and then save some left over reasons in order to later upgrade that belief to knowledge.
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

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You can't decide that you have enough reasons to believe and then save some left over reasons in order to later upgrade that belief to knowledge.

Dude, I like white shirt/white PS. Am I saying that people should wear that combination? No. I'm saying I like it. What are you confused about?
post #3700 of 13240
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Dude, I like white shirt/white PS. Am I saying that people should wear that combination? No. I'm saying I like it. What are you confused about?

You are discussing the combination of white shirt and white pocket square.

I am discussing the combination of believing and knowing.

Get on my level.
post #3701 of 13240
Oh word?

post #3702 of 13240
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

You keep skipping past the non-trivial difference between “not ideal” and “objectively bad.”
[Omitted: blah blah blah and on an on about Greek philosophy through the lens of a devoted classics scholar.]

I had a tiger mom. The difference is trivial.

But seriously. If "ideal" is possible and is defined as the best of all options, and costs are equal, whether you define your choice as "good" versus "bad" or "ideal" versus "not ideal" is irrelevant. Ultimately you can only pick one option. All others might as well be "bad," as well as "not ideal."
post #3703 of 13240
The electric suit in another light.
post #3704 of 13240
Fred it was the lighting. That is a beautiful suit. Now I'm jealous ... I want one.

In the previous photo I really thought it was purple. I was thinking Boateng. I'm recalling being at Schiphol Airport and hearing "Accra Passenger Boateng. Mr. Ozwald Boateng, please proceed to gate F7 for immediate boarding." All of a sudden a purple flash passed me.
post #3705 of 13240
^^ still love it ^^
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reservoir dogs is the best. that's a fact.

nope.
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