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post #181 of 12602
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

fwiw, this, and the rules thread, have been for me, some of the the most informative, interesting and polite threads i have visited in a while. im enjoying and learning quite a bit.

I have to concur. MC the past week or two has been extremely enjoyable, especially the contributions from the old-school posters of yore.

My thanks to all involved.
post #182 of 12602
Thread Starter 
We really do owe it all to vox. If he hadn't doused himself in gasoline and lit a match like that Vietnamese monk or the Tunesian street vendor who kicked off the Arab Spring, none of this would be happening.
post #183 of 12602
I don't mind him being the sacrificial lamb....
post #184 of 12602
This poor n00b shall bite with his small wardrobe to see what can be improved.




Forest green tie.


Pardon bad square puff, it's a cream color.
post #185 of 12602
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

We really do owe it all to vox. If he hadn't doused himself in gasoline and lit a match like that Vietnamese monk or the Tunesian street vendor who kicked off the Arab Spring, none of this would be happening.

truth. tis a shame we lost him in the turmoil. hopefully his absence wont be too long lived.
post #186 of 12602
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

truth. tis a shame we lost him in the turmoil. hopefully his absence wont be too long lived.
Always two there are.
post #187 of 12602
Verniza: red shiny tie + two-tone watch = two strikes against good taste in my book
post #188 of 12602
I would add that the volume and color matching of squares needs some work.
post #189 of 12602
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

Always two there are.

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post #190 of 12602
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

Old dog always has very good taste up top but his shoes and socks (or lack of) constantly let him down...

Those are not the shoes and socks (or lack thereof) that I actually wear. Other than when I am taking pictures to post online (for which I keep the special wardrobe of shoes and socks to which you object), I wear only black or dark brown punch cap oxfords and solid color socks in gray, navy or brown to coordinate with my trousers. I never go sockless, except in pictures for StyleForum, even when I'm in the shower.
post #191 of 12602
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Empty @ 49: the tie and jacket are fine, very nice even, I just don’t like the shirt at all. Not as a dress shirt worn with a tie. Also, the blue & white combo really does not go with brown tweed. That color/pattern might be OK as a summer shirt with a blazer and blue tie, I don’t know. It would probably be fine as a summer shirt (BD collar) with no tie or jacket. Doesn’t work as you’ve worn it...
Thanks M. I really appreciate your feedback on my and others' pics.

The jacket is green if that changes anything. But I agree with you about the shirt in general. I remember your posting something about your dislike for patterned shirts that have a mostly white ground. I'm starting to come around to your position, but I think high contrast colors work well for me. Still, that shirt may not be best w/ coat and tie.
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

With very few exceptions, gdl always crushes it.
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

gdl is always well turned out. I find his combos simultaneously sedate and surprising...
I agree. He's able to take parts that, imho, don't always look great on their own and put them together into very pleasing wholes.
post #192 of 12602
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Originally Posted by emptym View Post

I agree. He's able to take parts that, imho, don't always look great on their own and put them together into very pleasing wholes.

yuno.gif Y U no like my parts ?


jk - thanks wink.gif
post #193 of 12602
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

fwiw, this, and the rules thread, have been for me, some of the the most informative, interesting and polite threads i have visited in a while. im enjoying and learning quite a bit.

As someone new(ish) to going through my days in style I completely agree with this. I've taken away a lot of good ideas in addition to noting what not to do (no offense to anyone).

Sometimes seeing what not to do is a better education.
post #194 of 12602
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Unbelragazzo @ 143:

The square sucks simply. The colors are not good and the pattern is worse. I’m with foo in disliking small figures on squares.

Pic 1: I like the suit, I really do. It’s a cool casual suit. The tie sucks. Patterns should be smallish, for the most part, but at all events more uniform. If they look like those pretty telescope pictures of far off galaxy clusters



don’t wear them. The shirt is good and the collar is excellent on you. A tasteful tie of the same color would be OK, but not great. Either a different color or a darker blue. Either way you need a totally unrelated square.

Pic 2: I should like this but it’s not coming together for me. I generally love that type of tie. But what you have there is a very formal look, just about the most formal short of black tie: blue suit, white shirt, B/W/silver wedding tie. HOWEVER the BD collar wrecks it. Possibly if the suit were linen or a hairy flannel—something informal—then the BD collar would “go.” Possibly. Or if the tie were woolen and a little fuzzy. That collar is also not great. It looks “pinched.” You have too much roll, the buttons I think are too high and too far in.

Pic 3: I like, good taste, even the square is nice with that little hint of border. Looks haphazardly stuffed in there, which is always good. Collar looks low and sloppy, a spread that wide should not have tie space. Your collar with the white jacket is perfect. (now you’re going to tell me it’s the same shirt.)

Edmorel at 144

Macro comment to the gallery. This is an example of a common Italian look that one does not see much outside the upper and professional classes in Italy and to a lesser extent France. The hallmarks are: 1) a tweedish but soft and smooth jacket, i.e., more surface interest than a worsted but much less than a Shetland or Harris; 2) a spread collar broadcloth shirt; 3) nearly always a solid navy tie, either grenadine or knit; 5) gray pants (yes I realize he is not always wearing gray pants).

The point is, this is different than what Americans and English dressers are used to. In America we would tend to wear shirts like that only with suits and we would wear BD collars in oxford cloth or something textured with a jacket. In England, they would either wear a suit or a really countrified jacket but they would find these neither fish nor fowl. In America the ties would tend to be repp or maybe madder and in England wool for the cooler months. But what Ed is doing is very “Continental.”

OK, one by one:

1. Just push the square down and you’re fine.
2. Ditto. Might look better with light gray flannel pants but it’s still good.
3. Very bad square, with squares like that, no wonder he turned against squares. Beyond that it’s hard to tell, I think I see a green jacket with a blue windowpane and dark gray trou? Jacket and trou too close in tone.
4. Jacket fabric looks a little too “Italian Luxe” like a kiton close out. Not my fave. Shirt and tie are of course fine.
5. Best jacket so far, would be better with a darker tie.
6. Most exgerent
7. Not feeling this. Shirt blue is too deep, too dark. I generally dislike French blue shirts and prefer the paler shades but if you are going to do it the jacket/suit needs to be very dark, preferably blue. That tie is to me a suit tie, plain and simple, or else OK with a blazer and white shirt for a formal night out. Jacket is … OK … but … and this is really a personal thing which maybe belongs in non-rule rules but for odd jackets in B&W plaid, I strongly prefer no overcheck. Plaid suitings should always have an overcheck.

Cpt @145: meh. Not offensive. Does nothing for me. Ditch the square. Untuck the ticket pocket flap. Fit is good, I must say.

o/o @ 152: I like both of these better than what he is responding to. Those are great squares, boys, and not “matched”; that is the way to do it. I think the second tie works better. The first one is a nice tie and it does go fine, I just find the second ensemble crackles more. In fact, take the square from #1 and the tie from #2 (and ditch the silly pin) and you are cracker-jack.

Eg1 @ 173: wait, those fabrics you posted are odd trousers? Dear lord, those are both horrible odd trousers. Very bad taste. The first would make a barely passable jacket (the pattern is really too small) and the second is a not very good suiting.

Unbelragazzo at 181

Nope. Pedestrian suit. The stripe is an afterthought, looks very department store safe. Tie is banal. Shirt is OK Everything is “correct” but nothing about it is good taste.

Verniza at 185:

Top pic is nice. It’s the wrong square but the rest is good. Jacket fabric is lovely (that is what you should be looking for, stitchy)

Bottom pic: disaster in every way. Tie is atrocious. Square one click behind. Suit looks badly cut judging by the shape of the lapels. None of the colors work together, except the suit and shirt.
post #195 of 12602
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I don't play sports (imagine that), so for me, I liken it to learning a language. There are a lot of rules and vocabulary to learn, much of which may not make sense, before you can communicate with elegance or style. If you refuse to pick up the rules and vocabulary, and act on the pretense that you can simply wing it, you will fail--even if you think your French is marvelous.

Except that we don't necessarily learn in such a formal and organized manner, just like we don't actually stand outside observing the world like Descartes and people before Heidegger thought we did (subject/object). This may not seem important but I do believe SF (or Flusser's look) sorta demonstrates that it is.
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