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Funny, I have a real visceral distaste for the unbuttoned sleeve, but I kind of like the unbuttoned collar.
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Some lingering romantic memories of Napoli perhaps?
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Especially in a professional setting, I find the unbuttoned collar really abominable. Basically it says, "I'm such a big deal and you're such a small deal that I couldn't even bother to fully dress myself to meet with you this morning". When you're Gianni Agnelli, that has a little bit of truth to it. When you're not, it just looks idiotic.

I like to avoid looking too punctilious....I like a generally unstructured or softly tailored look, and I don't like things looking too "matchy" or intentional-looking pocket square origami. But at least button yourself.
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In an age when men can't be bothered to change out of their T-shirts to conduct business or don a tie for a funeral, unbuttoned collars are an affront?
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

I'd say the unbuttoned collar is even more affected.

Leaving the collar unbuttoned has a major aesthetic effect on the look of the collar. Unbuttoning a jacket sleeve button doesn't. If either is an affectation, it's the latter since it has no real purpose other than to show off surgeon's cuffs.
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In my n00b opinion both unbuttoned collar and unbuttoned sleeve button look stupid. Unbuttoned collar because there's no point in wearing an OCBD if you're not going to button it, and unbuttoned sleeve because it's useless, ostentatious, and to the untrained eye it just looks like one of your buttons fell off...

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Well I tend not to wear BDs in a business context. To me an unbuttoned collar is like and untucked shirt or rolled up sleeves, just a casual touch, like you grabbed it from the closet and put it on and then didn't bother with the points.
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Especially in a professional setting, I find the unbuttoned collar really abominable. Basically it says, "I'm such a big deal and you're such a small deal that I couldn't even bother to fully dress myself to meet with you this morning". When you're Gianni Agnelli, that has a little bit of truth to it. When you're not, it just looks idiotic.
I like to avoid looking too punctilious....I like a generally unstructured or softly tailored look, and I don't like things looking too "matchy" or intentional-looking pocket square origami. But at least button yourself.

Using words like "punctilious", make you come across as punctilious. So you might as well unbutton those collars.
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Well I tend not to wear BDs in a business context. To me an unbuttoned collar is like and untucked shirt or rolled up sleeves, just a casual touch, like you grabbed it from the closet and put it on and then didn't bother with the points.

Yes. It is, of course, contextual. There are more serious moments when I would not consider leaving my collar unbuttoned. But then, I probably would not be wearing a BD to start with.
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Especially in a professional setting, I find the unbuttoned collar really abominable. Basically it says, "I'm such a big deal and you're such a small deal that I couldn't even bother to fully dress myself to meet with you this morning". When you're Gianni Agnelli, that has a little bit of truth to it. When you're not, it just looks idiotic.

Like most men on SF, you're over thinking it, I'm afraid.

Eddie Lampert doing a video conference call from his home in Greenwich with all of the senior management of Sears while he's in his boxer briefs (literally) and a white v-neck T with his kids and dogs running around in the background as they discuss the next wave of layoffs...that might be a tad disrespectful. (True story, btw.)

Wearing a tie, sportcoat, proper trousers, leather shoes, etc. - really, not so much. It's a minor detail. It's just leaving the blades of the collar unbuttoned. When all else is intact, it's just a fun detail. The most common reaction at the office is "Hey man, you forgot to button your collar! Let me fix that for you..."
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In an age when men can't be bothered to change out of their T-shirts to conduct business or don a tie for a funeral, unbuttoned collars are an affront?

Haha. Posted my comment before I read this. What he said.
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Ok let me distinguish between two situations then:

1) your profession dictates that you wear coat and tie. In this case, my original point still holds.

2) your profession does not dictate that you wear coat and tie but you do anyway. In this case, I think it's somewhat less egregious than 1), but you're putting the lie to the idea that it's your insouciance that lets the button down go unbuttoned. I like making coat and tie more casual by wearing suede shoes or using more textured fabrics or wearing softly tailored garments. But the unbuttoned collar is more than casual, it's sloppy, and in this context clearly a studies kind of sloppy. Every time I see one I think of some pictures I saw on tumblr of some douchey gq or esquire editor that included a close up of his unbuttoned button down collar. You can't spare one minute to button your collar, but you can spare 10 to pose for a photo of it?
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

Cayman, I stand with you, my unbuttoned brother.

I can't remember the last time I buttoned the points on a BD. Then again I haven't worn a tie + BD in a really long time.
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I'm not sure why you find that reaction in your office encouraging.
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Leaving the collar unbuttoned has a major aesthetic effect on the look of the collar. Unbuttoning a jacket sleeve button doesn't. If either is an affectation, it's the latter since it has no real purpose other than to show off surgeon's cuffs.

? Both are done for aesthetic reasons, and without any rational or functional logic - so I'm not sure I follow your logic. The collar just happens to be a lot more visible and in your face (literally) so I dislike it marginally more. But I dislike both affectations.

Unbuttoned collars are particularly annoying in an otherwise CBD outfit (like the one above). It really stands out - much more than a more business casual or otherwise non-conservative ensemble.
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