or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › whnay.'s good taste thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

whnay.'s good taste thread - Page 8

post #106 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by dopey View Post

The sports analogy is a good one. The idea is to think about what you are doing, all the time, so you eventually don't really have to think about it all. You develop good instincts and habits by practice. The most inspired athletes look like they are playing thoughtlessly, and they are at that moment, but they got to the point where they can play effortlessly after a lot of effort. The same applies here. You have to spend some time observing and thinking about colors and textures and patterns and silhouettes and style languages and groupings until you feel like you have a natural understanding, and then your decisions will be made by trained, informed instinct.
By way example, this morning I chose an olive finnemeresco suit (made of black, green and yellow threads). I grabbed a pink shirt without thinking, because I knew pink looked right with olive and it was close to hand (if a yellow or lavender shirt were closer, I might have as easily grabbed that). I grabbed a tan and pale blue striped Irish poplin tie (1" stripes) because the colors were right and I needed something not to business formal since the suit is kind of casual. Without much thought I rejected a black grenadine, which would have looked good but been too sober in mood. The only time I really had to pause and think was in choosing whether to wear a square and which one. Since I was in basically all solids, I thought I needed a square. A dark one wouldn't work. Light pink would have been too matchy with the shirt. I wanted solid because I didn't want the square to be the only pattern and attract attention to the wrong place. So I grabbed a baby blue cashmere. That seemed to work, and off I went. The whole process was about five minutes, including the time to actually get dressed. Fifteen years ago, that would have taken longer because I would have had to spend more time actually thinking through the ideas I wrote out (which took me longer to write than to do).

I don't play sports (imagine that), so for me, I liken it to learning a language. There are a lot of rules and vocabulary to learn, much of which may not make sense, before you can communicate with elegance or style. If you refuse to pick up the rules and vocabulary, and act on the pretense that you can simply wing it, you will fail--even if you think your French is marvelous.
post #107 of 13401
I think _AMD's look is fine. Maybe it's not creative but it's a classic for a reason. Much as I love the tweedy combos popular among the old guard here, there can be a graceful elegance to stripped-down minimalism.
post #108 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

They always look cheap. Doesn't Ross / Macy's sell those horrid tie / shirt / pocket square combos where the square is always a solid color in silk?

Well, I didn't say to pick a shitty navy square.
post #109 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Well, I didn't say to pick a shitty navy square.
Distinction without a difference. We need more pics people...don't be scared.
post #110 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by dopey View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The sports analogy is a good one. The idea is to think about what you are doing, all the time, so you eventually don't really have to think about it all. You develop good instincts and habits by practice. The most inspired athletes look like they are playing thoughtlessly, and they are at that moment, but they got to the point where they can play effortlessly after a lot of effort. The same applies here. You have to spend some time observing and thinking about colors and textures and patterns and silhouettes and style languages and groupings until you feel like you have a natural understanding, and then your decisions will be made by trained, informed instinct.
By way example, this morning I chose an olive finnemeresco suit (made of black, green and yellow threads). I grabbed a pink shirt without thinking, because I knew pink looked right with olive and it was close to hand (if a yellow or lavender shirt were closer, I might have as easily grabbed that). I grabbed a tan and pale blue striped Irish poplin tie (1" stripes) because the colors were right and I needed something not to business formal since the suit is kind of casual. Without much thought I rejected a black grenadine, which would have looked good but been too sober in mood. The only time I really had to pause and think was in choosing whether to wear a square and which one. Since I was in basically all solids, I thought I needed a square. A dark one wouldn't work. Light pink would have been too matchy with the shirt. I wanted solid because I didn't want the square to be the only pattern and attract attention to the wrong place. So I grabbed a baby blue cashmere. That seemed to work, and off I went. The whole process was about five minutes, including the time to actually get dressed. Fifteen years ago, that would have taken longer because I would have had to spend more time actually thinking through the ideas I wrote out (which took me longer to write than to do).

fantastic illustration dopey, thank you. what are the chances we get a pic of the above outfit?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

Sometimes I feel like wearing a particular item, be it coat, tie or shirt. Often it has to do with the weather. Then I grab stuff that looks good with it. The first item does affect everything else -- a small gingham shirt rules out a busy, small-patterned neat, for example.
Mostly I wear the same things over and over. And it would be helpful if I weren't colorblind.

i find very often (like today) that the weather influences, or rather usually changes, what i was going to wear. i hate it. i dress much crappier in the rain because i cant deal with stuff getting wet. its a majot sore OCD point for me. i meant to include in my list of people i was posing the question to. iammatt as well.

i appreciate you all taking the time to answer my question. the answers were all very helpful, thoughtful and insightful. something i will be able to learn from. gracias, amigos.
post #111 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Distinction without a difference. We need more pics people...don't be scared.

Will post later. Need to primp.
post #112 of 13401
whnay asked for pics. All of these are old, but of combos I like:


post #113 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Distinction without a difference. We need more pics people...don't be scared.

the rain today fuxxored my plans. i went khakis and a plaid casual shirt. no tie or jacket.

i will post a pic here though when the weather stops screwing with me, and i go back to jackets and ties.
post #114 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Distinction without a difference. We need more pics people...don't be scared.

Well, I won't be wearing much tailored clothing in the next couple of weeks so I will contribute to the thread and discussion with some x-posts of the most recent outfits I wore (and took pics of).

Biz

1.

IMG00869-20120725-1145.jpgdetails (Click to show)
IMG00875-20120725-1227.jpg
IMG00867-20120723-1404.jpg

2.

IMG00865-20120723-0746.jpg

3.

Fathersday2012.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00819-20120617-2147.jpg

4.

IMG00733-20120426-0649.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00734-20120426-0650.jpg

5.

IMG00714-20120403-0913.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00715-20120403-0914.jpg

6.

IMG00682-20120329-0900.jpgdetails (Click to show)
IMG00681-20120329-0854.jpg
IMG00686-20120329-0958.jpg

7.

IMG00672-20120328-0927.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00678-20120328-0940.jpg

8.

IMG00669-20120327-0916.jpg

9.

IMG00640-20120322-0919.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00641-20120322-0920.jpg

10.

IMG00628-20120320-0857.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00630-20120320-0902.jpg



Biz caz

1.

IMG00716-20120404-0930.jpgrare full shot (Click to show)
2012-04-04_09-27-50_385.jpg

2.

IMG00693-20120330-0927-1.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00690-20120330-0920.jpg
another full shot (Click to show)
2012-03-30_09-17-48_613.jpg

3.

IMG00642-20120323-0909-1.jpgdetail (Click to show)
IMG00644-20120323-0918.jpg
post #115 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctp120 View Post

whnay asked for pics. All of these are old, but of combos I like:


I like those except for maybe the last one because of the knit. Where did you get that PoW tie?
post #116 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I like those except for maybe the last one because of the knit. Where did you get that PoW tie?

Drake's
post #117 of 13401
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Well, I won't be wearing much tailored clothing in the next couple of weeks so I will contribute to the thread and discussion with some x-posts of the most recent outfits I wore (and took pics of).

Other than the first striped tie, nothing here that I would not wear myself.
post #118 of 13401
Thread Starter 
Empty @ 49: the tie and jacket are fine, very nice even, I just don’t like the shirt at all. Not as a dress shirt worn with a tie. Also, the blue & white combo really does not go with brown tweed. That color/pattern might be OK as a summer shirt with a blazer and blue tie, I don’t know. It would probably be fine as a summer shirt (BD collar) with no tie or jacket. Doesn’t work as you’ve worn it.

Moo @ 53: Top pic first. The tie is really great, I would gladly have that in my armoire. The jacket is OK, I’m not in love with it. The shirt is nice. The whole does not come together because there are too many discordant notes. First, you have paired an essentially “suity” businessy” shirt with an informal jacket and tie. I like to pair less formal with more formal, but usually the less dominant items have to be more formal and the accessories less. I.e., worsted suit with business shirt and wool tie = good. Tweed jacket with macclesfield: bad. What you have done here is made the dominant piece (the jacket) casual while paring it with a more formal secondary piece (the pale blue broadcloth point collar shirt). Doesn’t work. If the shirt were a BD, a bit darker, with some texture (oxford or chambray) it might work. Or, if you swap out that tie and replace it with solid navy you would have a decent combo in the Italian aristocrat on the weekend vein. Additionally, the tie is a tough pair with that jacket, they are a little too close to each other in scale and tone.

Second pic: I do really like the donkey flannel fabric. I despise the lapel shape and the “look at me!!” pic stitching. Your BD collar is very bad. It needs tie space, roll, and longer points. The colors all work well together, thought the shirt-tie pairing is bit matchy, but not bad. I don’t like the square at all. Looks cartoony and it should be puffed, not folded.

Third pic: best of the lot. Though, again, more contrast between tie and coat would be better. That tie with a blue flannel suit = killer; that suit with a dark blue tie = killer.

Gazman @ 54: nice jacket. Atrocious tie. I don’t think even a nice bottle green tie would work with that coat. I just know that one doesn’t. Square looks like it might be nice but no points showing, please. I am assuming the shirt is pale blue broadcloth? If so, see comments above.

Second pic: three of the four individual pieces are nice. Not crazy about the tie. Looks like a woven that, based on the spacing and the colors, ought to be a print. If it were a print, everything would be much nicer. A woven is a bit too formal for that country palate and texture in the coat. The square is, again, too close to the tie in palate and scale (this is a mistake everyone seems to be making).

Third pic: OK but the tie color is too close to the plaid of the coat. Looks matchy. Once again, dark blue tie and you have success. Stop folding silk squares, everyone.

Nay at 63: A bit busy. Probably just replace the square with white and you’re fine. Or, swap in a solid blue shirt, or with the same shirt, a solid rust tie. Overall it’s nice though.

AMD @ 68: not bad. Simple and safe. More contrast between tie and suit would be better; either make the suit or tie a dark navy, or even make the tie (but not the suit!) black, and it’s very good.

Axleman @ 71: It’s OK. Safe. Certainly not in bad taste. A blue shirt would pic it up a great deal or else a different tie. Guys, think twice before you pair a maroon tie with a white shirt, blue will almost always be better.

o/o @ 97: Ok, this may shock some of you but that is really good. If you want to do an ultra citified look, this is a great example. Also, pay attention, that is how you wear a white shirt. The only off note is the square. I am not, like nay and foo and morel, totally opposed to solid silk squares. I rather like a (very) dark burgundy solid silk square. But that one is too light. And, even if it weren’t, a burg square is too matchy with the tie.

More later.
post #119 of 13401
Whoah whoah whoah--I never said I was opposed to solid silk squares. That's Nay's unprincipled war.
post #120 of 13401
gdl,

All great, but especially #3. I can't tell much about the material and texture of the tie though. Care to elaborate?

***edit: Nevermind, missed spoilered detail pic on first pass. Mods feel free to delete this post.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Classic Menswear
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › whnay.'s good taste thread