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post #10006 of 13589
Caustic, I'm with YRR on this one.

That SC always going to be tough. On the one hand, it's a relatively small (but not small enough to resolve to solid) / busy pattern. On the other, there isn't enough contrast between the brown and the lighter brown / tan. It's a classic example of the middling too loud for a suit / not loud enough for a casual SC.

But since you have it and are going to wear it...

A white shirt (though it does look blueish to me in the photo) is the wrong way to go. White works with either a sharp or a summery look and this is, obviously, neither of those. BD works but it really has to be blue. And not too powdery of a blue.

The pattern of the jacket is busy enough, that a simpler square would be better. White linen is too austere / dressy for this SC so I do like the suggestion of cream silk. Or, better yet, no square at all.

Tan trousers seem like a fine match but definitely throw this further into the realm of earthtones. With a navy tie, I think I might prefer light to mid grey.
post #10007 of 13589

Really? I thought the pattern was quite nice for a SC, in fact I almost ordered something similar yesterday:

 

 

 

but ended up ordering a multi-colour houndstooth tweed instead (felt like I already have too many medium/large scale plaids):

 

 

Your thoughts? I quite liked the muted, autumnal houndstooth colors and while I think I'd have prefered a slightly larger scale, there was nothing that I liked in the available books. This shouldn't be extremely hard to pair anyways; I'm thinking solid shirts, solid or subtly patterned ties and solid squares (mostly cream).


Edited by RDiaz - 9/5/13 at 10:30am
post #10008 of 13589
Personally I don't have a problem with the scale of the SC, but I 100% agree on the trouser color comment.
post #10009 of 13589
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Originally Posted by RDiaz View Post

Really? I thought the pattern was quite nice for a SC, in fact I almost ordered something similar yesterday:


but ended up ordering a multi-colour houndstooth tweed instead (felt like I already have too many medium/large scale plaids):

Your thoughts? I quite liked the muted, autumnal houndstooth colors and while I think I'd have prefered a slightly larger scale, there was nothing that I liked in the available books. This shouldn't be extremely hard to pair anyways; I'm thinking solid shirts, solid or subtly patterned ties and solid squares (mostly cream).

I kinda like this one--



Don't love the colors but at least it's bold enough for a tweed.
post #10010 of 13589
oh. thats the one i ditched tongue.gif
post #10011 of 13589
I know. I generally don't like gunclubs / houndsteeth so I'm not really entitled to a specific opinion on the second one.
post #10012 of 13589

It's my first houndstooth jacket, so I really hope (and pray) I will like the final result - the cloth wasn't cheap at all. At least I do love the colors.

 

I find it really hard to imagine what the final garment will look like when looking at patterned swatches :brick:


Edited by RDiaz - 9/5/13 at 12:38pm
post #10013 of 13589
Great info guys. Canta, FYI it is a blue shirt, not white.
post #10014 of 13589
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Originally Posted by pocketsquareguy View Post

I would say that K&K collars are fanatical supporters of Karl's sagging neck.


(In a documentry a few years ago he said he had over 1,800 of their shirts.)

Gus, great insight. I hadn't thought that H&K has an orthopedic department.
post #10015 of 13589
I don't like gunclubs either, and houndstooth only in limited doses. Disagree on the oft-made suggestion sportcoats need to be loud. At one point, "elegance" was the byword on the forums (and remains so on one of them), but I wouldn't describe many of the garish sportcoat patterns popular on SF to be particularly elegant. Or, for that matter, in particularly good taste. Hard to reconcile "loud" and "good taste," as we use it here. Not impossible, but you're starting from a weak hand.

Certainly, there are cloths that look like suiting that should be avoided. But the forum's fright that someone might possibly maybe mistake a sportcoat for a suit coat is outdated middle-class paranoia, a bizarre fear that would make more sense if the average person knew there is a difference. I have plenty of relatively sedate tweeds that are clearly not suit coats. My favorites, truth be told, are usually the more conservative numbers. Much easier to wear, and appear more effortless when worn.

SF's logic on this doesn't even bear scrutiny. There are plenty of traditional sportcoat tweeds that aren't loud, from barleycorn to houndstooth to herringbone to donegal. Some are used for both sportcoats and suits. And tweed suits themselves, in their estate incarnations, were not sedate affairs.

SF, liking hard-and-fast rules, wants a simple, black-and-white distinction when there really isn't one. You know when you see it ... once you've trained your eye.
post #10016 of 13589
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I don't like gunclubs either, and houndstooth only in limited doses. Disagree on the oft-made suggestion sportcoats need to be loud. At one point, "elegance" was the byword on the forums (and remains so on one of them), but I wouldn't describe many of the garish sportcoat patterns popular on SF to be particularly elegant. Or, for that matter, in particularly good taste. Hard to reconcile "loud" and "good taste," as we use it here. Not impossible, but you're starting from a weak hand.

Certainly, there are cloths that look like suiting that should be avoided. But the forum's fright that someone might possibly maybe mistake a sportcoat for a suit coat is outdated middle-class paranoia, a bizarre fear that would make more sense if the average person knew there is a difference. I have plenty of relatively sedate tweeds that are clearly not suit coats. My favorites, truth be told, are usually the more conservative numbers. Much easier to wear, and appear more effortless when worn.

SF's logic on this doesn't even bear scrutiny. There are plenty of traditional sportcoat tweeds that aren't loud, from barleycorn to houndstooth to herringbone to donegal. Some are used for both sportcoats and suits. And tweed suits themselves, in their estate incarnations, were not sedate affairs.

SF, liking hard-and-fast rules, wants a simple, black-and-white distinction when there really isn't one. You know when you see it ... once you've trained your eye.

My contention is that there are two equilibria for SCs. Either very conservative - a blue blazer, a classic herringbone, etc. - or a bold tweed. The middling ones (which most of the time are worsted faux tweeds) are neither sedate enough to be conservative nor interesting enough to be visually appealing.


As I understood it, 'elegance' was used (in its forum heyday) to describe what each individual poster happened to like. As a result of seeing it so often kicked around like a hacky sack I still can't stand to use the word even when it might actually apply.
post #10017 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

I know. I generally don't like gunclubs
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I don't like gunclubs either

Really ?? That's surprising. I learn something everyday here smile.gif
post #10018 of 13589
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

My contention is that there are two equilibria for SCs. Either very conservative - a blue blazer, a classic herringbone, etc. - or a bold tweed. The middling ones (which most of the time are worsted faux tweeds) are neither sedate enough to be conservative nor interesting enough to be visually appealing.

Admittedly, you see a lot of sportcoats in faintly patterned cloths in dull, muddy colors. But these are ugly because they're ugly, not because the pattern is sedate. This sort of cloth is particularly common in less expensive garments, but it would make as ugly a suit as it does a sportcoat. Probably uglier, because there would be more of it.

Let's look at the coat Vox recently posted:

http://tmblr.co/Zc1IPuu2mfpN

Sufficiently loud?
post #10019 of 13589
Looks good to me...
post #10020 of 13589
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post


Really ?? That's surprising. I learn something everyday here smile.gif

They obviously have a history and people whose taste I respect do like them.

Just don't think I'd ever want to order / wear one myself. But who knows, maybe in another 30 years if we're not all wearing spacesuits.
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