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You started the negotiation with a low ball offer, which will naturally set the tone of any business transaction. Do you understand that? Why you refuse to take any responsibility for that is beyond me. You are not a victim here. Please, drive around and find a home for sale or go to a car lot and offer $25,000 for a $50,000 car and let me know what kind of response you get from the seller. It doesn't matter if we're talking about $100 or $100,000. You didn't approach this in a serious manner and my response reflected that.

Ever listed a vehicle on Craigslist? Sellers get deluged with lowball offers all the time. Why do so many people bother with lowball offers? Because they work. At least some of the time. And even sellers who reject lowball offers know to build in negotiation room in their asking price, because haggling is how it goes.

Ebay is more like Craigslist than a car lot.
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Ever listed a vehicle on Craigslist? Sellers get deluged with lowball offers all the time. Why do so many people bother with lowball offers? Because they work. At least some of the time. And even sellers who reject lowball offers know to build in negotiation room in their asking price, because haggling is how it goes.

Ebay is more like Craigslist than a car lot.

Of course I build in negotiation room when I list something for BINOBO. Who doesn't? A transaction is a transaction. Low ball offers are going to affect the negotiation regardless of what you're selling or what medium it's sold through. The level to which a low ball impairs the negotiation will vary depending on what's being sold and where it's being sold, clearly, but to say that it doesn't apply because it's eBay is simply not true.
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Originally Posted by Orgetorix View Post


Ever listed a vehicle on Craigslist? Sellers get deluged with lowball offers all the time. Why do so many people bother with lowball offers? Because they work. At least some of the time. And even sellers who reject lowball offers know to build in negotiation room in their asking price, because haggling is how it goes.

Ebay is more like Craigslist than a car lot.

 

 

That doesn't mean a seller shouldn't be offended by serious lowballs.

 

If I was selling my car for $5000 and a potential buyer offered $2400, I'd likely ignore the offer. If the dude kept pestering me with the same offer, I'd have my spam filter block his messages. Would I respond? Not likely. It's rarely worth the time to do so. If the dude used a second email address which was obviously the same person to send offers after I blocked him, I'd be even more annoyed.

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Hopefully this will be the last time I respond to this, and DrL said there's enough drama on here already.

 

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Originally Posted by suited View Post


You started the negotiation with a low ball offer, which will naturally set the tone of any business transaction. Do you understand that? Why you refuse to take any responsibility for that is beyond me. You are not a victim here. Please, drive around and find a home for sale or go to a car lot and offer $25,000 for a $50,000 car and let me know what kind of response you get from the seller. It doesn't matter if we're talking about $100 or $100,000. You didn't approach this in a serious manner and my response reflected that.

And then you openly admit that you used the eBay system to "fuck with me." On top of that you were dishonest about switching accounts.

I have no regrets about how I handled it. In the future try being honest, it really helps, and if you can't do that at least own up to it when you're caught. And FWIW, I would have sold the shirt for the $41.00 that I refunded you but I chose not to because I felt I was dealing with a problem buyer.

edit: see my post below.

First off, I have no regrets either. 

 

I made an offer, and you decided that the offer was so unreasonable it was necessary to be a prick instead of saying "I appreciate the offer, but no thank you" or simply countering. All of this could have been avoided had you not decided to be an asshole first. I am not saying that anything I did was "right" but everything I did was to give you a hard time for your treatment of my first offer, and for you to believe that treating a customer poorly is ok because of what you perceive as a "lowball offer" is just crazy. I believe I showed how serious I was about the original offer, by immediately completing the transaction when I got the "auto-accept"

 

IF you had a B&M and someone walked in asking if you have a clearance rack, or if you offer coupons, how would you treat them? 

 

I recall one time sending a lowball offer to someone who posts here regularly before I knew who they were, or what they did, and their exact response was "I appreciate the offer, but I cannot accept" keep in mind this was on an auction item, not BINOBO, I then pressed further and asked what it would take to end the auction early, and their response was, "sorry, I can't do that, but good luck bidding" I left it alone, and bid, but did not win, do you see the difference? That is why that person is the consummate professional, and why they are so successful. 

 

It just baffles my mind that someone would ask for BINOBO, and then be offended by an offer. There has to be a starting point.

 

 

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In an effort to be a gentleman, if Desi wants one of the shirts I will work something out with him. Several people have vouched for him and while I don't agree with the way he handled himself, I am willing to chalk it up to someone having a bad week. Desi - message me on here if you are interested.

 

you are still blaming the buyer for your actions, do you not get how crazy that is??! It's as if you think that you are doing me a favor by allowing me to purchase something from you...

 

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But you did originally lie about the user name thing, right? Doesn't sound like either of you handled the situation very well.

again, I will freely admit that I was being an asshole. Every message I sent was to give suited a hard time. That is not to confuse my offers as not being genuine. I believe I showed that I was genuine in my offers, by immediately paying for the item once I got the auto-accept.

 

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Of course I build in negotiation room when I list something for BINOBO. Who doesn't? A transaction is a transaction. Low ball offers are going to affect the negotiation regardless of what you're selling or what medium it's sold through. The level to which a low ball impairs the negotiation will vary depending on what's being sold and where it's being sold, clearly, but to say that it doesn't apply because it's eBay is simply not true.

your negotiation room is FREE SHIPPING, most people offer that to begin with!

 

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That doesn't mean a seller shouldn't be offended by serious lowballs.

 

If I was selling my car for $5000 and a potential buyer offered $2400, I'd likely ignore the offer. If the dude kept pestering me with the same offer, I'd have my spam filter block his messages. Would I respond? Not likely. It's rarely worth the time to do so. If the dude used a second email address which was obviously the same person to send offers after I blocked him, I'd be even more annoyed.

 

Is there a formula to work out to which someone knows when they are giving serious lowballs? Is there a science to that, or is it up to a seller to try and work with, and reason with someone who has offered them money for goods, and or services, especially when that seller accepts offers...

 

I want to make this VERY clear. I made one offer using ebay's offer system, got a prissy response, made another offer via messaging, and got even more attitude. I then used two more offer's in the official offer system only increasing the amount by 1-2 dollars to have both "auto-decline" that was the three offers that ebay allows before making me purchase at full BIN price. Each time an offer comes through the seller has the ability to counter. I was then curious as to what kind of an offer would be acceptable to suited, and asked my sister to use her ebay account. I made 1 offer at 1 dollar over the previous auto-decline, and got the auto-accept. He canceled the transaction shortly thereafter, and to give him more of a hard time I asked why, and pretended not to be the same person. 

 

again, if suited had been polite, or even countered like a normal person would have, we would not be here. It is suited's business to handle his  POTENTIAL customers however he feels, and remember I am not the one that came to SF to complain about an idiotic buyer, I think this tells a lot more about his character then mine, and as I said before, I like to think that I am a decent guy, but YMMV. 


Edited by Desi Montez - 2/16/16 at 11:14am
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Edited by Fueco - 2/16/16 at 11:14am
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You aren't a customer unless you bought something, and Suited has every right to treat you how he desires. It's his call on how to handle it, not yours. 

 

 

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again, if suited had been polite, or even countered like a normal person would have, we would not be here. It is suited's business to handle his  POTENTIAL customers however he feels, and remember I am not the one that came to SF to complain about an idiotic buyer, I think this tells a lot more about his character then mine, and as I said before, I like to think that I am a decent guy, but YMMV. 

Does this make you feel better?

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When my dog behaves this way, the relevant command is "Drop it."

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Fueco,

Sorry for inconveniencing you by trying to clear up confusions and non truths about a situation that I was personally named in.
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I'll be the first to admit that I have a bit of road rage, but I had somewhat of a revelation a couple of weeks ago. I was in a parking lot when I pulled out in front of someone. Totally my fault. Sun was kinda in my eyes but I really wasn't paying attention. The other driver, a middle-aged lady, lays on the horn. I stop and give the universal, hands in the air, sorry my bad gesture, but she, and what I presume to be her husband weren't having it. Both flipping me off. Husband was waving his arms all crazy, Coco the Monkey-style. If he had a heart attack right then, I would not have been surprised. It was then that I thought how ridiculous these people looked and that this is probably how I must look to other people when I do this. I smiled, waved and drove off, which seemed to only infuriate them more (which was kinda the plan). This has really helped me keep my road rage in check the last few weeks. The moral of this story: Just let it go and don't end up looking like Coco the Monkey.

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I'll be the first to admit that I have a bit of road rage, but I had somewhat of a revelation a couple of weeks ago. I was in a parking lot when I pulled out in front of someone. Totally my fault. Sun was kinda in my eyes but I really wasn't paying attention. The other driver, a middle-aged lady, lays on the horn. I stop and give the universal, hands in the air, sorry my bad gesture, but she, and what I presume to be her husband weren't having it. Both flipping me off. Husband was waving his arms all crazy, Coco the Monkey-style. If he had a heart attack right then, I would not have been surprised. It was then that I thought how ridiculous these people looked and that this is probably how I must look to other people when I do this. I smiled, waved and drove off, which seemed to only infuriate them more (which was kinda the plan). This has really helped me keep my road rage in check the last few weeks. The moral of this story: Just let it go and don't end up looking like Coco the Monkey.

Had a very similar moment when I saw this the other day. I realized I'm not much different than this.

 

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great analogy MJMcRibb,

 

I have tried to bow out of this twice already, and keep getting sucked back in. I shall honor my previous hiatus promise.

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Has anyone dealt with Linda on ebay for a return.   I know the usual story with her.  Measurements are all goofy, she usually doesn't know what she has, etc.  

 

I bought two Oxxford SC on BINOBO because they were cheap, I thought I could list them better with real measurements and price them better and I was thinking I could make money on them.

 

They arrived today.  One of them is a 3/2 Sack SC.  It's actually really nice and I know 3/2 Sacks are hard to find and its an Oxxford Glen Plaid.  But, while getting it out of the box it was shoved in, I noticed two holes in the back.   The description says  Fair Condition Some light wear on fabric Missing one button.   I do not think two holes constitutes "light wear."   I noticed she offers returns, but she says buyer must pay return shipping.   I don't want to pay shipping when this is not light wear -- it has holes.  

 

I am wondering if anyone has had to deal with something like this with her.  As an ebay seller, I don't want to file a item not as described.  Is the best course of action to email requesting a return and arguing that I shouldn't have to pay for the return shipping because the holes were not disclosed? 

 

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Originally Posted by Desi Montez View Post

First off, I have no regrets either. 

I made an offer, and you decided that the offer was so unreasonable it was necessary to be a prick instead of saying "I appreciate the offer, but no thank you" or simply countering. All of this could have been avoided had you not decided to be an asshole first. I am not saying that anything I did was "right" but everything I did was to give you a hard time for your treatment of my first offer, and for you to believe that treating a customer poorly is ok because of what you perceive as a "lowball offer" is just crazy. I believe I showed how serious I was about the original offer, by immediately completing the transaction when I got the "auto-accept"

IF you had a B&M and someone walked in asking if you have a clearance rack, or if you offer coupons, how would you treat them? 

I recall one time sending a lowball offer to someone who posts here regularly before I knew who they were, or what they did, and their exact response was "I appreciate the offer, but I cannot accept" keep in mind this was on an auction item, not BINOBO, I then pressed further and asked what it would take to end the auction early, and their response was, "sorry, I can't do that, but good luck bidding" I left it alone, and bid, but did not win, do you see the difference? That is why that person is the consummate professional, and why they are so successful. 

It just baffles my mind that someone would ask for BINOBO, and then be offended by an offer. There has to be a starting point.


you are still blaming the buyer for your actions, do you not get how crazy that is??! It's as if you think that you are doing me a favor by allowing me to purchase something from you...

again, I will freely admit that I was being an asshole. Every message I sent was to give suited a hard time. That is not to confuse my offers as not being genuine. I believe I showed that I was genuine in my offers, by immediately paying for the item once I got the auto-accept.

your negotiation room is FREE SHIPPING, most people offer that to begin with!


Is there a formula to work out to which someone knows when they are giving serious lowballs? Is there a science to that, or is it up to a seller to try and work with, and reason with someone who has offered them money for goods, and or services, especially when that seller accepts offers...

I want to make this VERY clear. I made one offer using ebay's offer system, got a prissy response, made another offer via messaging, and got even more attitude. I then used two more offer's in the official offer system only increasing the amount by 1-2 dollars to have both "auto-decline" that was the three offers that ebay allows before making me purchase at full BIN price. Each time an offer comes through the seller has the ability to counter. I was then curious as to what kind of an offer would be acceptable to suited, and asked my sister to use her ebay account. I made 1 offer at 1 dollar over the previous auto-decline, and got the auto-accept. He canceled the transaction shortly thereafter, and to give him more of a hard time I asked why, and pretended not to be the same person. 

again, if suited had been polite, or even countered like a normal person would have, we would not be here. It is suited's business to handle his  POTENTIAL customers however he feels, and remember I am not the one that came to SF to complain about an idiotic buyer, I think this tells a lot more about his character then mine, and as I said before, I like to think that I am a decent guy, but YMMV. 

The customer isn't always right, nor is the seller. Neither should act as though they are always right. Because you were the customer, you felt entitled to submit a low ball offer and be treated like a princess. This is apparent based on the tone of everything you have said in this thread. You remind me of the people my wife had to deal with as a pharmacist when she was still working in a retail environment. The reason those customers walk around and act like assholes is because nobody can retaliate for fear of losing their job. Having an eBay store affords me the unique opportunity to treat customers how they treat me, and quite honestly, I usually treat the few problem customers I've had far better than they treated me. eBay's system almost necessitates this because eBay will review the message history when there is a dispute. Because of that, most sellers are always nice even when they don't want to be.

I am sorry you got bent out of shape by my response of "really?" when you submitted a low ball offer. I am not sure what you were expecting. Frankly, I'd say you are a bit thin skinned if that response made you upset. If you wanted a seller to hold your hand and coddle you after you low balled them and claimed their prices were "inflated," you're talking to the wrong person.

Principles are worth more to me than any sale. Based on the fact that you were dishonest about using multiple accounts, and are seemingly proud of using those multiple accounts to "fuck with me," I think it's safe to say we value different things.
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