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Originally Posted by jebarne View Post
 

Guys, I'm getting my 2nd not as described return in the last year of trading. This one is based on color. I don't mind the return but the defect irks me. I don't pretend to have perfect colors, particularly since this was part of my first batch of items with my flash setup, but I still don't agree with him, because, if anything, the tie is slightly lighter in real life than the photos. 

 

I sold the tie as slate blue. He said it was darker than the photos in the listing, almost Navy. Well, as it happens, I have the identical tie in Navy. I got the tie back today and took it and the navy one outside and shot a couple full auto shots to have a basis to compare. the attached shows three photos from the listing on the left versus the ones I shot outside.

 

Is there a way to win this type of compaint? (btw, my other return was an "undisclosed" smell: Which as a leather coat, it smelled like leather.)

 

the ones on the left have the white balance set at the level from a white card under the lights and the right were outside, full daylight on white. The ones on the right have no adjustment at all.

 

 

I haven't sent anything to the buyer, but I'm just wondering if I can get the defect removed.

 

 

You should be able to, but it may not be worth your time. Are you close to 2% defect rate? Unless the buyer negs you, I wouldn't worry about it other than blocking him.

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Originally Posted by Fueco View Post
 

 

 

You should be able to, but it may not be worth your time. Are you close to 2% defect rate? Unless the buyer negs you, I wouldn't worry about it other than blocking him.


thanks Fueco. my defect rate is fractional so it isn't going to hurt my TRS, but I hate to see these guys decide they don't want something and send it back for a bogus reason.

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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Thanks. Must have been made for a stout man. 38 waist 28.5 inseam on the trou.


on this topic, most sellers try to size to the even size as most buyers have been conditioned to buy jackets in even sizes. I've seen these titled as 45 - 46 or such.

On this specific one, since it has size 38 pants, and a 6 inch drop is normal and a 5 inch drop would executive cut, my guess is that many sellers would list this as a 44 instead of a 45. Always better going down than up.  If you listed it as a 46, then the man who counts on that dimension being a full 24" or even 24 1/4" is gonna complain.

Follow up... If the trouser waist is curved, do you measure following the curve, or straight across?

If it's the former, the trousers are actually closer to 39 than 38.
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Follow up... If the trouser waist is curved, do you measure following the curve, or straight across?

If it's the former, the trousers are actually closer to 39 than 38

I try to straighten the waist band so the front and back align. If that doesn't work, I measure down the left side to the center and then back up the right side.

 

@txwoodworker posted some links on measuring last summer that you should have available.

 

There are some good videos out there on this.

 

@Shoeluv thanks for the nice words. I still come to this forum but my day job in 4Q was nuts so not as often.

 

I'll post some of the measurement guides if there is interest. I recently updated them to make them more flexible and easier to read.

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I'm finally getting the post Holiday surge in business.
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A seller doesn't want to leave any money on the table either, so why would they reveal their best price? It's just like you offering $25 when you are really willing to pay $35. Don't expect the seller to do something you aren't willing to do yourself.

 

I agree, but as I stated in the past I've ran into numerous sellers who think I'm "low balling" them when I make an opening offer.  If they do they simply ignore me which almost always doesn't result in me purchasing the item.  My work around is to allow them to take the lead and start the negotiating process at their price not my guess of their price.  This way I don't offend a seller and I can quickly cut to the chase to determine if I'm going to buy the item or not. 

 

It may not be a traditional method, but in my experience it's worked more times than not. 

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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

Well, here's my story on this topic.

Found a rare staple tie on ebay listed for $200. Seller had OBO option, so I offered $100. He/she accepted (to my surprise).

Long story short, I'm sure alot of sellers inflate their 'buy-it-now' price while actually expecting a much lower 'real price'. Don't know if that's the case here - maybe they just wanted to unload the tie - but I was still surprised my offer was accepted.

I just started doing BINs but I wouldn't really consider ever doing them without OBO. I mean, part of the fun for me is the haggle, the negotiation. I find it much like poker, where you see how much you can check raise someone into putting in the pot before going all in. Try and think of it in a different perspective. So much of this job is so tedious and mind numbing - that part is super fun for me.
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No one should stand in the way of capitalism

I want to tattoo this on my face.
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Originally Posted by LGHT View Post

I agree, but as I stated in the past I've ran into numerous sellers who think I'm "low balling" them when I make an opening offer.  If they do they simply ignore me which almost always doesn't result in me purchasing the item.  My work around is to allow them to take the lead and start the negotiating process at their price not my guess of their price.  This way I don't offend a seller and I can quickly cut to the chase to determine if I'm going to buy the item or not. 

It may not be a traditional method, but in my experience it's worked more times than not. 

Anyone, buyer or seller, who enters into a negotiation worried about giving offense or preparing to take offense simply based on an offer price is doing it wrong.

I've told this ITT before, I'm sure: my father (teacher's union negotiator for 20+ years) told me many times, "if you aren't at least a little bit embarrassed by your opening offer you've started too high (as a buyer) or too low (as a seller)."
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Originally Posted by LGHT View Post

I agree, but as I stated in the past I've ran into numerous sellers who think I'm "low balling" them when I make an opening offer.  If they do they simply ignore me which almost always doesn't result in me purchasing the item.  My work around is to allow them to take the lead and start the negotiating process at their price not my guess of their price.  This way I don't offend a seller and I can quickly cut to the chase to determine if I'm going to buy the item or not. 

It may not be a traditional method, but in my experience it's worked more times than not. 

Can we stop this conversation now? It's beginning to feel like a political debate.
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Originally Posted by Koala-T View Post
 

A seller doesn't want to leave any money on the table either, so why would they reveal their best price? It's just like you offering $25 when you are really willing to pay $35. Don't expect the seller to do something you aren't willing to do yourself.

 

I agree, but as I stated in the past I've ran into numerous sellers who think I'm "low balling" them when I make an opening offer.  If they do they simply ignore me which almost always doesn't result in me purchasing the item.  My work around is to allow them to take the lead and start the negotiating process at their price not my guess of their price.  This way I don't offend a seller and I can quickly cut to the chase to determine if I'm going to buy the item or not. 

 

It may not be a traditional method, but in my experience it's worked more times than not. 

Yeah, I don't agree on what a "low ball" offer is with most people. if you come within 50% of my asking price, I'll negotiate, but a lot of people take that as an insult. 

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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

I just started doing BINs but I wouldn't really consider ever doing them without OBO. I mean, part of the fun for me is the haggle, the negotiation. I find it much like poker, where you see how much you can check raise someone into putting in the pot before going all in. Try and think of it in a different perspective. So much of this job is so tedious and mind numbing - that part is super fun for me.

Exactly.
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Originally Posted by masaccio View Post


Anyone, buyer or seller, who enters into a negotiation worried about giving offense or preparing to take offense simply based on an offer price is doing it wrong.

I've told this before ITT before, I'm sure: my father (teacher's union negotiator for 20+ years) told me many times, "if you aren't at least a little bit embarrassed by your opening offer you've started too high (as a buyer) or too low (as a seller)."

 

I totally agree, but certain sellers just don't want to negotiate which seems to be more and more common although they have OBO in every listing.  If you offer less than 10% than the BIN price they take personal offense to low opening offers and your flagged as a "troll" that they don't want to bother doing business with.  This is why I had to change my tactics.  If all sellers where like SpooPoker it wouldn't be a problem, but some sellers now and days are just too good to sell on ebay although they do.

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Originally Posted by Koala-T View Post
 

Yeah, I don't agree on what a "low ball" offer is with most people. if you come within 50% of my asking price, I'll negotiate, but a lot of people take that as an insult. 

 

The problem is some sellers do and some don't so no matter what you start off with your taking a risk of offending the seller or over paying.  This is why I found if the seller open's it's best for both parties. 

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Originally Posted by LGHT View Post

I totally agree, but certain sellers just don't want to negotiate which seems to be more and more common although they have OBO in every listing.  If you offer less than 10% than the BIN price they take personal offense to low opening offers and your flagged as a "troll" that they don't want to bother doing business with.  This is why I had to change my tactics.  If all sellers where like SpooPoker it wouldn't be a problem, but some sellers now and days are just too good to sell on ebay although they do.

Again - Im like, 3 weeks into BINs. But I find it extremely fun to get even any lowball offer. Someones looking - its got press. Its two mouse clicks to send something else over. I love negotiating at a flea market or antique mall, this is no different for me. When I get the email that says I have an offer, I roll up my mental sleeves and dig in. Check his feedback, location, other purchases - get all the info on the dude so I can size him up. Just like poker - you read your opponent and extract as much as you can.
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Originally Posted by LGHT View Post
 

 

I totally agree, but certain sellers just don't want to negotiate which seems to be more and more common although they have OBO in every listing.  If you offer less than 10% than the BIN price they take personal offense to low opening offers and your flagged as a "troll" that they don't want to bother doing business with.  This is why I had to change my tactics.  If all sellers where like SpooPoker it wouldn't be a problem, but some sellers now and days are just too good to sell on ebay although they do.

Who are these mythical sellers who are 'offended'? Do they send you a personal message saying they're offended? If they decline, that is a sign for you to up your offer. They've made their move. This isn't too hard to understand, you know.

 

Seems like you're trolling now. You have multiple ebay sellers telling you your way of thinking is flat out wrong, and how they personally react to your ''what is your best price' strategy. You can believe what they have to say or not, but for god's sake stop looking for validation of your brilliant next-level negotiation tactic. It's stupid. There's already a best-offer system in place. Use it. Do you have difficulty following well-defined rules?

 

Christ.

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