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Well all started at Zero. You could ask them to contact before bidding, or reserve the right to cancel Zero feedback. But I have yet to have a problem with someone with Zero feedback.
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Guy ends tie, or the auction ends, I can't remember which. I wanted to bid on the tie and forgot because I was busy at work. The tie was at $15 with no bids. I message guy and let him know that I was interested in the tie but I was busy and completely forgot to bid. Guy sends me a message stating that he would be interested in selling the tie still, even though the auction ended with zero bids. I say, ok, lets proceed. Guy invoices me a $45 payment. I wasn't thinking it would be this much based off the auction ending on $15 with zero bids. It is a nice tie and I don't want to be greedy, but I don't want to pay $45 for something that ended with zero bids. It seems his argument is the tie is a $200 retail tie and he would be giving it away if he were to sell it for any cheaper. I am trying to negotiate but negotiations seem to have stalled. First, is this any of you? Because it sounds like something that someone would say in this thread after thrifting the tie for $2. lol8[1].gif But seriously, guy has been kind of a dick and I understand it is his item, but would there be any suggestion on negotiating a fair deal? Or should I just let it fizzle and not deal with him. I know there is no feedback involved but I would not want him to contact eBay and said that we completed a deal outside the realm of eBay, because that is a definite no-no and I am a top rated/power seller guy with 100% feedback.

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Guy ends tie, or the auction ends, I can't remember which. I wanted to bid on the tie and forgot because I was busy at work. The tie was at $15 with no bids. I message guy and let him know that I was interested in the tie but I was busy and completely forgot to bid. Guy sends me a message stating that he would be interested in selling the tie still, even though the auction ended with zero bids. I say, ok, lets proceed. Guy invoices me a $45 payment. I wasn't thinking it would be this much based off the auction ending on $15 with zero bids. It is a nice tie and I don't want to be greedy, but I don't want to pay $45 for something that ended with zero bids. It seems his argument is the tie is a $200 retail tie and he would be giving it away if he were to sell it for any cheaper. I am trying to negotiate but negotiations seem to have stalled. First, is this any of you? Because it sounds like something that someone would say in this thread after thrifting the tie for $2. lol8%5B1%5D.gif But seriously, guy has been kind of a dick and I understand it is his item, but would there be any suggestion on negotiating a fair deal? Or should I just let it fizzle and not deal with him. I know there is no feedback involved but I would not want him to contact eBay and said that we completed a deal outside the realm of eBay, because that is a definite no-no and I am a top rated/power seller guy with 100% feedback.

I would walk away. He billed you before you agreed to a price, which is not cool in my book. It puts him in the stronger position, b/c somehow $45 seems to be the accepted price, which it most certainly is not.

EDIT: Unless it had a BIN of $45, in which case I'm more inclined to understand why he chose $45 as the price. In that case, I'd offer something in between, assuming you're willing to pay more than $15. If you're not, I think it's done. The tie is no longer available for $15, and it likely won't be next time he posts it.

This is the perfect place for something like Gixen.
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It seems his argument is the tie is a $200 retail tie and he would be giving it away if he were to sell it for any cheaper. I am trying to negotiate but negotiations seem to have stalled. First, is this any of you? Because it sounds like something that someone would say in this thread after thrifting the tie for $2. lol8%5B1%5D.gif

Do you think he should sell it for less if he thrifted it for a dollar? How about if he could document that he paid full retail of $200, would that make the tie more valuable?

I am always puzzled by the concept that what someone paid for something figures into the "fair" value. The item is the item and the value is the value. He could have paid full retail, thrifted it for a dollar or Grandma could have given it to him.
post #1850 of 18186
Tben, you should set up a separate buying account so you don't jeopardize auctions if you run into vengeful shitty sellers. Also, I'd just stop dealing on the tie and wait for it to be relisted.
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Tben, you should set up a separate buying account so you don't jeopardize auctions if you run into vengeful shitty sellers. Also, I'd just stop dealing on the tie and wait for it to be relisted.

Yeah, you are probably right. I am not sure I would like to deal with this seller, however, the tie is something I have been looking for a while. I should have just placed a bid rather than try to wait it out and forget.

 

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Do you think he should sell it for less if he thrifted it for a dollar? How about if he could document that he paid full retail of $200, would that make the tie more valuable?

I am always puzzled by the concept that what someone paid for something figures into the "fair" value. The item is the item and the value is the value. He could have paid full retail, thrifted it for a dollar or Grandma could have given it to him.


My point is, why should the value be high if he couldn't even get $15 for it? And why should I pay him more? There wasn't a price tag on the item? Value is what someone is willing to pay for an item, or that is my understanding, am I incorrect? Since apparently my viewpoint is obtuse, why don't you school me in fair value...

post #1852 of 18186
I always place the minimum bid immediately to scare off competition and put my real bid on gixen. Seems to work reasonably well.
post #1853 of 18186
I don't mind ebay's "sellers must ship in one day" rule, but is there any way to amend it so it only applies when they pay in, say the first 48 hours?

It's just a pain in the ass for my schedule, if I have a bunch of items ending on a sunday, I'll always be sure and have time set aside monday and tuesday to ship. But when you get sme guy paying days or weeks late, it's a pain to have to rush to ship.
post #1854 of 18186
Yes!!!!!
I can't ship the same day when payment comes in 8 days later and im out of town for the weekend.
post #1855 of 18186
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Originally Posted by ruben View Post

I don't mind ebay's "sellers must ship in one day" rule, but is there any way to amend it so it only applies when they pay in, say the first 48 hours?

It's just a pain in the ass for my schedule, if I have a bunch of items ending on a sunday, I'll always be sure and have time set aside monday and tuesday to ship. But when you get sme guy paying days or weeks late, it's a pain to have to rush to ship.

NEVER SHIP BEFORE PAYMENT!!!! Big mistake. The clock doesn't start until they pay, and I believe I remember Wes saying you actually get until midnight the next day to print (not even ship) the label.
post #1856 of 18186
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Originally Posted by ruben View Post

I don't mind ebay's "sellers must ship in one day" rule, but is there any way to amend it so it only applies when they pay in, say the first 48 hours?

It's just a pain in the ass for my schedule, if I have a bunch of items ending on a sunday, I'll always be sure and have time set aside monday and tuesday to ship. But when you get sme guy paying days or weeks late, it's a pain to have to rush to ship.

+1,000, I am a firm believer that you should be allowed and equal amount of time, or at least proportionate to the delay of payment.

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Yes!!!!!
I can't ship the same day when payment comes in 8 days later and im out of town for the weekend.

+10,000

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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post


NEVER SHIP BEFORE PAYMENT!!!! Big mistake. The clock doesn't start until they pay, and I believe I remember Wes saying you actually get until midnight the next day to print (not even ship) the label.

 

+1,000,000

 

Yep Midnight PST, just to have the tracking info entered into designated spot. 

Example:

Payment received Monday morning 4:00 AM EST

Label should be printed and tracking updated (automatically simultaneous if ebay shipping is used) by Tuesday 11:59PM PST (Wed 2:59AM EST)

Total - nearly 47 hours, still counts as 24 hour shipped.

 

 

This doesn't mean you can enter a phony tracking number though....if you were to go back and change it to the real one, it will update the date of shipment to the date of the new tracking number and screw you. I had that problem when I used to use ebay shipping to ship to SF members. Screwed myself out of my 20% discount for a month.

 

 

However...IIRC the shipping stars in the DSR will not lock at 5 stars unless the package arrives within the projected delivery window. I may be wrong on this point...


Edited by capnwes - 1/10/13 at 12:57pm
post #1857 of 18186
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NEVER SHIP BEFORE PAYMENT!!!! Big mistake. The clock doesn't start until they pay, and I believe I remember Wes saying you actually get until midnight the next day to print (not even ship) the label.
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Of course I don't.
But when some Estonian guy pays 12 days late I hate that I have to drop everything and ship out his package asap.
post #1858 of 18186
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However...IIRC the shipping stars in the DSR will not lock at 5 stars unless the package arrives within the projected delivery window. I may be wrong on this point...


I thought it was when the PO scanned it.
post #1859 of 18186
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Originally Posted by capnwes View Post

This doesn't mean you can enter a phony tracking number though....if you were to go back and change it to the real one, it will update the date of shipment to the date of the new tracking number and screw you. I had that problem when I used to use ebay shipping to ship to SF members. Screwed myself out of my 20% discount for a month.

 

 

 

I remember you mentioning this several times. Have you tried the "direct" paypal link?

 

When I input the shipping information into this, it still gives me the discounted shipping price and it is what I use to ship to SF members all of the time.

 

www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now

post #1860 of 18186
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My point is, why should the value be high if he couldn't even get $15 for it? And why should I pay him more? There wasn't a price tag on the item? Value is what someone is willing to pay for an item, or that is my understanding, am I incorrect? Since apparently my viewpoint is obtuse, why don't you school me in fair value...

You mentioned the possibility that he thrifted it for $2, as if it were a relevant fact. Is there a particular part of my post which you don't understand?
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