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post #15346 of 18230
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Originally Posted by My Main Man View Post
 

And you'll make for one sad eBay seller if they find out and ban you from selling anymore.

 

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Originally Posted by hbkshin View Post
 

Don't change the value. It's more than just against eBay rules, it's illegal.

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post #15347 of 18230
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Originally Posted by FlorianQC View Post
 

Last thing. Mark it as a gift under 50$ value ahahah :D You'll make one happy Canadian :D

Don't do this.  Not even a Canadian is worth risking the federal offense. :crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup::crackup:

 

Take that to the bank and cash it. 

 

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Originally Posted by My Main Man View Post
 

And you'll make for one sad eBay seller if they find out and ban you from selling anymore.

+1

 

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Originally Posted by hbkshin View Post
 

Don't change the value. It's more than just against eBay rules, it's illegal.

+1

post #15348 of 18230
Hi guys, this is a buyer perspective. I buy from the US, but I live in Portugal. So customs may charge or not (it's a risk as they only check some shipments) the merchandise I buy. To be honest, I think it's a rip off what one pays for postage and, if customs get your purchase you can count with another 23% on top of the total value. If this happens, what was a good deal will turn into a really bad one quite quickly and probably cost you more than if bought "at home".

It's illegal, yeah but everybody does it and how can it be proved? As long as you pay your taxes, who cares?

I also don't care if things take 20 days to arrive, preferably by USPS ground. Chances to be stopped by customs are really lower.

Just to finish, a quick story; I buy some smoking stuff from the US, and the shop owner always send me the package saying "Fishing supplies", no invoice, no customs declaration, no registered delivery. I always received the goods, I'm always a happy returning customer ;-)
post #15349 of 18230
No.
post #15350 of 18230
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Originally Posted by mbaltazar View Post

Hi guys, this is a buyer perspective. I buy from the US, but I live in Portugal. So customs may charge or not (it's a risk as they only check some shipments) the merchandise I buy. To be honest, I think it's a rip off what one pays for postage and, if customs get your purchase you can count with another 23% on top of the total value. If this happens, what was a good deal will turn into a really bad one quite quickly and probably cost you more than if bought "at home".

It's illegal, yeah but everybody does it and how can it be proved? As long as you pay your taxes, who cares?

I also don't care if things take 20 days to arrive, preferably by USPS ground. Chances to be stopped by customs are really lower.

Just to finish, a quick story; I buy some smoking stuff from the US, and the shop owner always send me the package saying "Fishing supplies", no invoice, no customs declaration, no registered delivery. I always received the goods, I'm always a happy returning customer ;-)

If you don't like it, buy within your own country. Your not just asking us to risk a single shipment, your asking some of these people to risk literally their livelihoods, or substantial second incomes that might go to pay for things like medicine, or mortgages, or student loan payments. For you to get a shirt $20 cheaper. That's just awful and selfish. And what do you lose if the shipment gets caught and the seller gets in trouble? Well, you lose a shirt, or a suit, what maybe $100, tops??

post #15351 of 18230
@Koala-T
That's why I DON'T ASK for sellers to "be nice", because as you said and quote "...asking some of these people to risk literally their livelihoods, or substantial second incomes...". I bought items on eBay from 2 of you recently and I haven't asked for anything, just to send the stuff. So don't come and raise me moral issues because it won't work. Money is as hard, or even harder, to come by on this side of the pond as is on yours, and I also have to pay taxes, mortgage, schools, health and everything. So if I can save a $100, I will save a $100.

But that is not the question, and it's also not about me or you or about our moral standards or respect for law. It's about business decisions. What I meant to say is that I use the calculator before I buy another Borrelli shirt from abroad for $125. It sounds good, right? Perhaps not, because I can get a new one from an European site for around $165, not risking customs and other charges. So yes, in that case, I buy within my country or within EU. It's a simple business decision, not a moral one.

Another thing is that this question is surely far from being unanimous amongst sellers like you. You don't do it, great. But others do, and have a different perspective from yours. That doesn't make you right, making all the others wrong. I respect and understand both sides. You should too.
post #15352 of 18230

Seller lists item BINOBO.

 

Buyer (me) makes offer at 2/3rds BIN price.

Seller makes counter offer at BIN price. :censored:

post #15353 of 18230
No. You're asking people to consider breaking international trade laws to save you a few bucks. That could cost many people tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue per year if they are caught. No offense, but keep your money on that side of the pond.
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That's the thing, though, these sellers aren't "being nice" they're "breaking the law", and "endangering their business" because they know you don't like to pay your own country's taxes. And in terms of the law, this absolutely does make me right and the other sellers wrong.

 

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Originally Posted by mbaltazar View Post

@Koala-T
That's why I DON'T ASK for sellers to "be nice", because as you said and quote "...asking some of these people to risk literally their livelihoods, or substantial second incomes...". I bought items on eBay from 2 of you recently and I haven't asked for anything, just to send the stuff. So don't come and raise me moral issues because it won't work. Money is as hard, or even harder, to come by on this side of the pond as is on yours, and I also have to pay taxes, mortgage, schools, health and everything. So if I can save a $100, I will save a $100.

But that is not the question, and it's also not about me or you or about our moral standards or respect for law. It's about business decisions. What I meant to say is that I use the calculator before I buy another Borrelli shirt from abroad for $125. It sounds good, right? Perhaps not, because I can get a new one from an European site for around $165, not risking customs and other charges. So yes, in that case, I buy within my country or within EU. It's a simple business decision, not a moral one.

Another thing is that this question is surely far from being unanimous amongst sellers like you. You don't do it, great. But others do, and have a different perspective from yours. That doesn't make you right, making all the others wrong. I respect and understand both sides. You should too.
post #15355 of 18230
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Originally Posted by mbaltazar View Post

@Koala-T
That's why I DON'T ASK for sellers to "be nice", because as you said and quote "...asking some of these people to risk literally their livelihoods, or substantial second incomes...". I bought items on eBay from 2 of you recently and I haven't asked for anything, just to send the stuff. So don't come and raise me moral issues because it won't work. Money is as hard, or even harder, to come by on this side of the pond as is on yours, and I also have to pay taxes, mortgage, schools, health and everything. So if I can save a $100, I will save a $100.

But that is not the question, and it's also not about me or you or about our moral standards or respect for law. It's about business decisions. What I meant to say is that I use the calculator before I buy another Borrelli shirt from abroad for $125. It sounds good, right? Perhaps not, because I can get a new one from an European site for around $165, not risking customs and other charges. So yes, in that case, I buy within my country or within EU. It's a simple business decision, not a moral one.

Another thing is that this question is surely far from being unanimous amongst sellers like you. You don't do it, great. But others do, and have a different perspective from yours. That doesn't make you right, making all the others wrong. I respect and understand both sides. You should too.

Quick question because I'm curious.

 

Whats considered tax evasion in your country?  Asking someone to falsify forms knowing it will allow you to evade taxes?

 

I am not fluent in other countries laws, and really am more curious if there are repercussions for it.

post #15356 of 18230

   Quote:

Originally Posted by mbaltazar View Post

@Koala-T
That's why I DON'T ASK for sellers to "be nice", because as you said and quote "...asking some of these people to risk literally their livelihoods, or substantial second incomes...". I bought items on eBay from 2 of you recently and I haven't asked for anything, just to send the stuff. So don't come and raise me moral issues because it won't work. Money is as hard, or even harder, to come by on this side of the pond as is on yours, and I also have to pay taxes, mortgage, schools, health and everything. So if I can save a $100, I will save a $100.

But that is not the question, and it's also not about me or you or about our moral standards or respect for law. It's about business decisions. What I meant to say is that I use the calculator before I buy another Borrelli shirt from abroad for $125. It sounds good, right? Perhaps not, because I can get a new one from an European site for around $165, not risking customs and other charges. So yes, in that case, I buy within my country or within EU. It's a simple business decision, not a moral one.

Another thing is that this question is surely far from being unanimous amongst sellers like you. You don't do it, great. But others do, and have a different perspective from yours. That doesn't make you right, making all the others wrong. I respect and understand both sides. You should too.

Nah I feel ya. Customs suck. I'd hate to be paying customs and it's not something I have had to experience yet. I always do my best to help out my International customers in pricing areas where I can so they can save a few bucks cause I know many get slammed with customs fees.

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If it's a few bucks here or there, I have in the past relisted an item at a different cost to help a seller out because the price was agreeable to me. I sold something, didn't break any laws, and everyone was happy.

I wouldn't falsify documents for business though.

post #15358 of 18230
Guys, you're making this a "me and you" thing. I told you, I DON'T ASK sellers to do it, many of them even suggest, or just do it. They're breaking the law and endangering their business, I understand, but if they're not worried, am I going to be? Come on, let's not be naive.

Funny thing is you guys say save me, save the buyer a few bucks, but isn't the seller also earning some more bucks? Perhaps a lot more cash just by placing a cross in another tick box?

Snoogz:

In my country I can sell on eBay, without having a company operating, just as an individual. Tax evasion, in the simple form is to earn money I don't declare to the IRS. Example, a guy thrifts a couple stores, buys some items and don't ask for an invoice. You pay, mark them up, place them for sale and earn a margin. Receive the cash on my bank account, and don't declare it. This is tax evasion, but if it's on Paypal nothing happens; it's online, based in Luxembourg which is a fiscal paradise as you all surely know. Now imagine I go to the post office to send the stuff out to you. I don't have to fulfill a customs form, just place it in the box (envelope or what so ever), write the address and a description of the goods inside. It's good to go.

Don't expect me to believe that the ton of sellers that ONLY accept Paypal, are all extremely compliant with the international trade laws, customs and taxes and so on. The exception confirms the rule, but there's no rule without exception.

As you Americans said it best; money talks, BS walks.
post #15359 of 18230
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Originally Posted by mbaltazar View Post

Guys, you're making this a "me and you" thing. I told you, I DON'T ASK sellers to do it, many of them even suggest, or just do it. They're breaking the law and endangering their business, I understand, but if they're not worried, am I going to be? Come on, let's not be naive.

Funny thing is you guys say save me, save the buyer a few bucks, but isn't the seller also earning some more bucks? Perhaps a lot more cash just by placing a cross in another tick box?

Snoogz:

In my country I can sell on eBay, without having a company operating, just as an individual. Tax evasion, in the simple form is to earn money I don't declare to the IRS. Example, a guy thrifts a couple stores, buys some items and don't ask for an invoice. You pay, mark them up, place them for sale and earn a margin. Receive the cash on my bank account, and don't declare it. This is tax evasion, but if it's on Paypal nothing happens; it's online, based in Luxembourg which is a fiscal paradise as you all surely know. Now imagine I go to the post office to send the stuff out to you. I don't have to fulfill a customs form, just place it in the box (envelope or what so ever), write the address and a description of the goods inside. It's good to go.

Don't expect me to believe that the ton of sellers that ONLY accept Paypal, are all extremely compliant with the international trade laws, customs and taxes and so on. The exception confirms the rule, but there's no rule without exception.

As you Americans said it best; money talks, BS walks.

 

Lol really glad my little pun offspringed such a debate on the thread :lol:

 

Thanks for this refreshing perspective @mbaltazar that I share 100%. Living in Canada I will only buy from US people who take this 'risk' of marking it as a gift. Sometimes I don't even ask and some sellers just do it because they know our situation (so they actually take ALL the risk).

 

The only exception to that is Spoo, I will buy some of his amazeballs stuff and I know he can't risk anything, but he's so cool that he always charge like 15 or 20$ shipping (for SF members, except of 45$) and there's always some cools ties bonus in the shipment. I resell them and it pays the friggin taxes I had to give to the government for nothing. Sorry guys but the Quebec province is already the most TAXED in North America (including the 50 US states, yeah) so I already pay my shitload of taxes, way more than you. I just think it's enough :)

 

I look at most of you guys eBays sometimes but I know I could never buy from you, most people overcharge for shipping (40$ for a jacket, really? I ship them for 17.80 CAD with tracking to the US) and adding the taxes to that would just be ridiculous.

 

I respect the fact that you don't want to break the law tho. I also never respect the speed limits on Canadian motorways and I've never been pulled over for -20km/h because there is a tolerance. There is also a tolerance for international sales through eBay (and whatnot). I know a customs officer who works in Montreal Saint-Laurent, the place where most of Eastern Canada-bound shipments are cleared for customs. He would just laugh his ass off at people who 'fear' of breaking the law by marking something as a gift. They clear these items 2348972890347987 times a day and they don't give a shit. Don't you think it's a bit weird that a PayPal/eBay printed shipment form marks something as a 'gift' and is not stopped by customs?. Come on :) Laws will also change in the near future (because of the real intended enforcement of our trade agreements). They're more busy searching for drugs and weapons and whatnot, trust me.

 

 

Being also French, I e-thrift stuff in France/rest of Europe to sellers that only ship to France/Europe and then my familly ships me those stuff as a personal gift (which it actually is, right?) with some crazy French food (foie gras, pâtés, duck confit and all the other shit you guys dream of :D). I don't have any problem with that, and as already said, customs don't give a fuck. They give a fuck about my familly sending saucissons (sausage) though because that's really illegal :p

 

Don't worry guys, our governments have other stuff to do than jailing us for tax evasion. We are mere plankton in the see of big fishes they wanna jail. I'm not even sure we are plankton though. We are nothing :D

post #15360 of 18230

Would any of you ever consider anything like this?

 

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/clo/4608007546.html

 

6K+ items for less than $1 ea.

You'd probably have to rent storage space for a time.

It certainly isn't high end stuff but you could lot much of it up perhaps?

 

Seems like it would cut the hours you would need to spend in the thrift shops. You could full time list for like 3 months...

 

Tempting, but I need to get more experienced with eBay first. :-)

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