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post #691 of 772
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

yep - crocs were posted on MC today

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post #692 of 772
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

I'm not sure this is true any more, which is why MC is in such a weird place.

Doc,

Yes, but I like the weirdness. It keeps it interesting.

We might even want to think about re-naming this forum. Logically, Men's Clothing should encompass all forms of clothing worn by men. In fact, this is a forum about traditional or tailored or, you know, clothes that aren't SWD or technical sportswear or all the other stuff that it isn't about. It's an odd mirror of AAAC's fashion forum, which definitely isn't about fashion.

This may in part explain why we get the noobs asking what kind of skateboard shorts are trending this season or which variety of sneakers to wear with a logo tee, or extolling Kanye West. They come here via Google, ask a - for them - perfectly reasonable question, and we tell them to fuck off and only come back once they've had a suit made by Rubinacci in Minnis fresco with horn buttons. Which is also our collective unhelpful answer to the 17-year old in Port Clinton, Ohio wondering what to wear to prom.

I'm caricaturing of course, but only a little.
post #693 of 772
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

It's an odd mirror of AAAC's fashion forum, which definitely isn't about fashion.

Funny you say that. To me we're becoming like the Trad forum -- where all pretense of being based in a traditional aesthetic is abandoned in favor of a house style that's baffling to the unindoctrinated.
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I agree with you to the extent that I am not persuaded about the SF MC hard-core aesthetic. I don't agree, for example, that Scholte-derived drape is inherently better than more structured cuts (and I own and appreciate both).

The "Trad" thing seems to me an aberration. For one, "Trad" is recent word (and therefore concept), which I think was invented as much by the analytical obsessions of Japanese bloggers as by anyone else. When I was growing up, it was called "preppy" and was a lot less restrictive than "Trad" appears to be.

I dislike intently those AAAC threads beginning "is this Trad?". Because they suggest an attempt to create a narrow and restrictive list of binary choices that is unhistorical, while claiming to seek a recreation or continuation of historical practice.

MC may be informed and influenced by nostalgia, but it is not inherently nostalgic: we may like 1930s Apparel Arts drawings (which are as accurate a guide to what was actually worn as GQ now) but that does not stop us discussing clothes viewed through a contemporary prism, rather than automatically writing off anything not known to have been possessed by Fred Astaire or various deceased British Royals.
post #695 of 772
My idiosyncratic 'rules':

- Wear only knit ties or rough-textured wool/shantung ties, unless the occasion strictly requires formality.

- If wearing a tie, wear only soft-collared shirts (usually BD), unless the occasion strictly requires formality.

- If wearing wool trousers and odd jacket, then no tie and no leather-soled shoes.

- If wearing wool trousers with a sweater/cardigan, then no leather-soled shoes.

- Wear white linen hankies only, and only in formal settings (if at all).

- No socks whenever possible (footwear, occasion and climate-permitting).

- Avoid matching ties and socks, unless they both happen to be navy blue.

- Avoid colour repetition between ties and shirts (unless it's white and the occasion is formal, e.g. white polka dots on blue ground and white shirt).

I think that's it. peepwall[1].gif

Had to reverse-engineer those norms by thinking about how I dress. So this has been a helpful exercise -- thanks, Manton.
post #696 of 772
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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post


+1
This is really more SW&D territory. From the perspective of classical dress, wearing espadrilles with a suit would be ridiculous, even boorish.
MC deals with the more tradition and "rules" based aspects of men's clothing, whereas SW&D leans toward the more free-wheeling/fashionable. That's probably where you'd be more comfortable. The "Grenson's for my 'Raw Selvage Denim" comment totally gives you away. wink.gif

 

 

Ah Yes! I have since realised that. This is the first forum I've joined via recommendation, I wasn't aware that I was posting in the wrong area. I appreciate your direction, thank you.

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Fair warning, wearing espadrilles and driving mocs with worsted suits will get ridiculed in SW&D as well.

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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Fair warning, wearing espadrilles and driving mocs with worsted suits will get ridiculed in SW&D as well.

Well they do say that Europeans are the most stylish people of the world and I myself being a fashion buyer in London, it would be safe to say that I pretty much know what I'm talking about. Since most of the ridiculing has come from US members I doubt that I'll be losing much sleep darling! 

 

Thanks though! x

post #699 of 772
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Originally Posted by noodles1975 View Post

Well they do say that Europeans are the most stylish people of the world and myself being a fashion buyer in London, it would be safe to say that I pretty much know what I'm talking about. Since most of the ridiculing has come from US members I doubt that I'll be losing much sleep darling! 

Thanks though! x

I'm not trying to discredit you or whatever, but just FYI, being a fashion buyer is probably not going to get you much respect on this forum in general. Many here consider "fashion" the antonym of "style". Again, I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I hope you stick around and contribute to the forum. Just trying to explain the culture here a little bit to you.
post #700 of 772
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Originally Posted by noodles1975 View Post

Well they do say that Europeans are the most stylish people of the world and I myself being a fashion buyer in London, it would be safe to say that I pretty much know what I'm talking about. Since most of the ridiculing has come from US members I doubt that I'll be losing much sleep darling! 

 

Thanks though! x

 

Calling other men darling will also get you ridiculed.

post #701 of 772
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Originally Posted by KObalto View Post

Sneakers with a suit is a horrible look that tells the world "I have no comfortable dress shoes". Tom Wolfe nailed this years ago in Bonfire of the Vanities.

Have you seen how Tom Wolfe dresses?
post #702 of 772
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post


I'm not trying to discredit you or whatever, but just FYI, being a fashion buyer is probably not going to get you much respect on this forum in general. Many here consider "fashion" the antonym of "style". Again, I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I hope you stick around and contribute to the forum. Just trying to explain the culture here a little bit to you.

 

I hear you and thanks for the 'Heads up'! I'm off to SW&D in the hope that it's a bit more of my thing... Just for the record though... 'Fashion Buyer' is just the title of my job, it does not label me a 'Fashion Victim', nor does it strip me of 'Style', be it personal, traditional or Seasonal... I had hoped that my strong interest of fashion/style along with certain inside info I get due to my job would be received gratefully here, I would never have imagined that my job would be considered a 'Handicap' on a forum about Style.

 

Still, I hope you all benefit in some way from my future contributions and I wish you all the best!

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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

I'm not trying to discredit you or whatever, but just FYI, being a fashion buyer is probably not going to get you much respect on this forum in general. Many here consider "fashion" the antonym of "style". Again, I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I hope you stick around and contribute to the forum. Just trying to explain the culture here a little bit to you.

I hear you and thanks for the 'Heads up'! I'm off to SW&D in the hope that it's a bit more of my thing... Just for the record though... 'Fashion Buyer' is just the title of my job, it does not label me a 'Fashion Victim', nor does it strip me of 'Style', be it personal, traditional or Seasonal... I had hoped that my strong interest of fashion/style along with certain inside info I get due to my job would be received gratefully here, I would never have imagined that my job would be considered a 'Handicap' on a forum about Style.

Still, I hope you all benefit in some way from my future contributions and I wish you all the best!

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post #704 of 772
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Have you seen how Tom Wolfe dresses?

Not a good argument.

Allen Flusser's book is usually held up as the ultimate authority on modern tailored clothing and he dresses like a mental patient.
post #705 of 772
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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post

Not a good argument.
Allen Flusser's book is usually held up as the ultimate authority on modern tailored clothing and he dresses like a mental patient.

I haven't read Flusser's book but my comment was made in jest anyway, I don't see how some off the cuff sentence taken (out of context) from a novel was an argument in the first place so it really can't be argued for/against in any coherent way.

ps: I rather liked the TF look posted in one of the recent threads (think Manton mentionned meeting him and it prompted a pic posting). I have never liked anything I have seen Flusser wear...
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