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post #616 of 769
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Originally Posted by Ianiceman View Post


Or maybe brown shoes were traditionally worn by farmers/country people/hillbillies, so the 'rule' evolved so that nobody would think your were a clueless rube fresh off the turnip truck?


Maybe!  We do define our rules so as to NOT look like someone.  Every time I've ever put on more than one bright thing at a time, I look in the mirror, feel the lump in my stomach, and seriously ask myself, "Do I look like an ESPN announcer?"  80% of the time, I tone down an item.   

 

I was thinking it was also to illustrate the break between city (colors of buildings/black) and country (colors of nature/brown) dressing. 

post #617 of 769
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Originally Posted by Ianiceman View Post

Or maybe brown shoes were traditionally worn by farmers/country people/hillbillies, so the 'rule' evolved so that nobody would think your were a clueless rube fresh off the turnip truck?


You would be correct. This is what free market hero Adam Smith had to say - though without really questioning - about the "necessities of life", and how some of them are purely the result of social custom, rather than "real necessity"

"By necessaries I understand not only the commodities which are indispensably
necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for
creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly
speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably
though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a
creditable day-labourer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt, the want of
which would be supposed to denote that disgraceful degree of poverty which, it is presumed,
nobody can well fall into without extreme bad conduct. Custom, in the same manner, has
rendered leather shoes a necessary of life in England. The poorest creditable person of either
sex would be ashamed to appear in public without them. In Scotland, custom has rendered them
a necessary of life to the lowest order of men; but not to the same order of women, who may,
without any discredit, walk about barefooted. In France they are necessaries neither to men nor
to women, the lowest rank of both sexes appearing there publicly, without any discredit,
sometimes in wooden shoes, and sometimes barefooted. Under necessaries, therefore, I
comprehend not only those things which nature, but those things which the established rules of
decency have rendered necessary to the lowest rank of people."

The same applies to "clothes for every occasion", and multiple suits, that were "established" as the standard for the middle class after WWII. I say established, because a lot of this was a purely marketing invention: rapidly scalling up production, with no markets to absorb it. Most men only had 1-2 pair of shoes (1 "nicer" pair for work, one pair - most likely military surplus - for everything else), and were perfectly happy with them. Come along the marketing douchebags: "Hey, I've got an idea: why don't we implant in their heads the notion that they are doomed to social and business failure unless they have bulging wardrobes of shirts, suits, and shoes?".

And, here we are shog[1].gif

PS Oh, since this is as good an oportunity to plug it as any: Adam Smith hated big business (esp. the East India company), and insisted that the rich must pay greater proportion of their income in taxes.
post #618 of 769
Are you some sort of spammer, or troll? I can't really tell... confused.gif
post #619 of 769
Best I can tell, SamSpade is an MCer with hardcore case of cognitive dissonance.
post #620 of 769
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Best I can tell, SamSpade is an MCer with hardcore case of cognitive dissonance.

Word, homeslice. smile.gificon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #621 of 769
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

Are you some sort of spammer, or troll? I can't really tell... confused.gif

You are forgiven, for you do not know what you are doing/saying. biggrin.gif
post #622 of 769
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Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post

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7) I will absolutely never wear striped or regimental ties, tried them many times, and hated them for 2 reasons .... 2) symbolically, they are associated with the military, and I absolutely hate anything related with the military

While I liked what he had to say about grenadine ties, and tie width, this comment told me all I needed to know about Mr. Spade.

post #623 of 769
Which was what exactly?
post #624 of 769
I forgot this non-rule rule: Avoid politics in a thread about sartorial preferences.
post #625 of 769
How about sartorial preferences in a thread about politics?
post #626 of 769
Here's another rule:

If we have to spend 42 pages discussing arbitrary non-rule "rules", many of us need to get out more. Or be more productive at work.
post #627 of 769
Ouch! Shots fired!
post #628 of 769
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

How about sartorial preferences in a thread about politics?

I've resolved to stay out of CE for the rest of the year, so I have no opinion.
post #629 of 769
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post

While I liked what he had to say about grenadine ties, and tie width, this comment told me all I needed to know about Mr. Spade.

While I similarly appreciate the first part of the comment, wrt to the second, I've got to ask: Oh, yeah? And what would that be? (Please explain without descending into jingoist cliches, you already slipped one...)


Also: discussing clothing and clothing convenitions without touching their class - i.e. by definition political - connotations is like discussing hamburgers without discussing the need to raise and kill a cow.
post #630 of 769

^ If you need to ask ...

 

No, I should probably follow sugarbutch's advice at #624.
 

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